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104,999 hits 2.3 (3 votes) Share Favorite | Flag 8 years ago by 314159

Does your favourite movie pass the Bechdel test?
The Bechdel test: Two named female characters have to have a conversation about something other than a man for the film to pass.


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8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Thursday 12/26/13 - 7:03:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
The point seemed to me to be that a community organiser can be a strong leader, which is clearly true. Some people accomplish a remarkable amount and certainly have interesting stories that are worth telling. It is clearly different from being a world leader, but the retort comes off as a little dismissive of people in certain roles.
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Thursday 12/26/13 - 10:06:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
Well.....how long does the conversation have to be? If it can be just a couple of lines, then I suppose it does. It's no secret that my favorite movie is the Passion of the Christ. At the beginning there are two women, Mary, the mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalene and there is a question and an answer:

Mary: Why is this night different from any other night?
Magdalene: Because once we were slaves and we are slaves no longer.

Nothing about a man there. But pretty much anything beyond that, if two women are talking they're talking about Jesus.
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Thursday 12/26/13 - 11:47:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 12/26/13 - 7:40:28 AM Guilty_Spark wrote:
The only thing that's self evident is that you don't like the results of the example I gave so you want to shift the goalposts. And no, 'community organisers' do NOT deserve the same kudos that a world leader deserves. Trying to compare the two is ridiculous and lends no weight to your arguments.


Moving the goalposts?

We were having a discussion about female leads when you brought up ceos and heads of states out of nowhere to somehow prove that women don't need leading roles in a stupid discussion that has nothing to do with movies.

If anyone moved the goalposts it was you.
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 12:15:29 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 12/26/13 - 7:40:28 AM Guilty_Spark wrote:
The only thing that's self evident is that you don't like the results of the example I gave so you want to shift the goalposts. And no, 'community organisers' do NOT deserve the same kudos that a world leader deserves. Trying to compare the two is ridiculous and lends no weight to your arguments.

I have no problem with the examples you gave. I just think there is more to consider than the examples you gave. Leadership can manifest itself in many different roles, and these roles are not limited to the top positions in society.

I'm not saying they deserve the *same* kudos. I'm not here to stratify societal positions. I'm simply saying that there are many representations of leadership and there are many ways to be a strong person. Therefore, the fact that men are more likely to be CEO's or head of nations (cont)
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 12:23:43 AM EST (GMT-5)
doesn't justify the under-representation of strong women in film. I know plenty of strong women who will never be at the top of the corporate ladder, but does this make them any less of a strong person? It really doesn't.

I would also say that art imitating life and life imitating art are not mutually exclusive concepts. I do think that our lives, behaviors, and perceptions are shaped by what we see in art and media. Our broader understanding of reality can be compromised by certain depictions. In that sense, depicting women as weak is socially irresponsible because it may encourage women to internalize these negative portrayals of themselves and encourage men to accept such portrayals. I think artists have the option of challenging stereotypes and diversifying the depiction of a certain group of people, and this is an option that should be promoted, not dismissed because (con)
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 12:24:41 AM EST (GMT-5)
men are more likely to hold this position here or that position there.
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 12:28:59 AM EST (GMT-5)
Oh, but I do want to put it on the record that I don't think every female character needs to be a strong character. Likewise, I don't think every male character has to be a strong character. Sometimes it is more realistic and more honest to have a broken character, and that's fine.

But when a group of people are continually portrayed in a uniform way in order to reinforce stereotypes, that's when we have a problem.
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 5:19:17 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 12/26/13 - 7:03:07 PM 314159 wrote:
The point seemed to me to be that a community organiser can be a strong leader, which is clearly true. Some people accomplish a remarkable amount and certainly have interesting stories that are worth telling. It is clearly different from being a world leader, but the retort comes off as a little dismissive of people in certain roles.


That's because I WAS being dismissive of community organisers.
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 5:22:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
BB77, if women aren't happy with the way they are being portrayed in film, why do they continue to go and see them?

How many men do you think go to see romcoms of their own free will?
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 1:26:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
My first favourite movie does.

My second and third favourite movies, well...
One's about a WW2 POW camp, and the other's about life on a British naval ship. So you do the math.
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 2:10:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think its worth reiterating what Ong said on the previous page; the relative power relationship of male and female characters is a thing (particularly in feminist film theory), but having a strong female representation isn't just about having female 'leaders' on screen. It's as much just about representing female characters with more depth (i.e. who are they, why are they doing what they're doing), outside of the context of being the target of a male character's affections. The Bechdel test isn't really geared towards an Ellen Ripley or Iron Lady type figure, just a female character whose got a bit more 'real person' to them.
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 2:18:33 PM EST (GMT-5)
In either case, I think having the expectation that women (or anyone) would be/should be boycotting something that they're not fully supportive of is a bit simplistic. It isn't like any individual film can really be held accountable for it, and of course, they can still be entertaining. But in the same way that there are issues surrounding how the fashion/modelling industry portrays females and 'beauty', even though females make up the majority of the market that perpetuates it, it can still be argued to have a negative influence.

Hell, I think Tescos isn't a particularly nice company as supermarkets go, and on a pure 'vote with my wallet' principle I wouldn't particularly like to shop there. In reality though, it's 30 mins closer than the nearest alternative (and three times bigger ).
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 3:05:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
Am I crazy for being a bit put off by the way ongooshk is getting all the credit for things that I also said in here? Like, I said those things too...and earlier than page 4. I was saying this sh*t on page 1. It's worth reiterating what I said on page 1.
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 3:07:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
This is just an example of, "Am I paranoid or am I getting passed over yet again and some man is getting praise for saying things I said as well?"

Also, in a bad mood. Sorry. Sorry. Whatever.
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 3:11:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
I remembered seeing it and his was the first I came across going backwards from this page, apologies.
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 3:42:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
I apologize too (I came back here just now hoping I could just delete my comments and that maybe nobody saw my momentary weirdness...but you did)

I just let my own sensitivity/self-consciousness get the best of me sometimes and I make comments I shouldn't make. Sorry about that.
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 4:23:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
Let's see, The Lion King... No, pretty sure the only time two female characters speak is Nala saying to her mother, "mom, can I go with Simba?" And her mother says to Simba's mom, "hmm, what do you think, Sarabi?"

But Nala's mom doesn't have a name and I guess that conversation counts as talking about a male character. So. Nope!

Lion King 2 passes!
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 4:27:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 12/27/13 - 2:18:33 PM Floor Demon wrote:
But in the same way that there are issues surrounding how the fashion/modelling industry portrays females and 'beauty', even though females make up the majority of the market that perpetuates it, it can still be argued to have a negative influence.


Not just the market. As can be seen here, many of the world's notable fashion designers are women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...

So, we have clothes designed by women and marketed to women in ways that are extremely damaging to women (especially young impressionable girls) in magazines that are largely designed, edited by and certainly sold to women.

Who's to blame for the continuing use of emaciated models photoshopped to within an inch of their lives in these publications?
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 5:14:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't dispute that there are a lot of female designers, I wasn't implying that the industry and it's issues are something that men have to answer for by any means. Same with films.

I wouldn't really blame the audiences either, whether its impressionable young girls or adult women and men, especially when it becomes a standard/expectation. At least stuff like the Bechdel test by

a) being rather silly in it's simplicity but
b) telling in how many films fail it

can get people to think about their expectations and what they reflect. And they do, as with the criticism of the fashion industry, and you could even point to things like the reaction to something like 50 Shades of Grey, which has a primarily female audience, but also had reasonably prominent criticism (from females) about it's portrayal of women.
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 6:40:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
Take the movie 'Predators'.

Sci-Fi action fluff with one female character, so an automatic fail by the standards of this ridiculous test. Yet the woman in question is not there to be rescued or wooed and kicks more arse than Arsey McKickington during the festival of Arse Kicking while wearing brand new arse kicking boots. She is also one of only two of the cast to survive..
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 6:50:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
And I'm delighted to lay the blame for the success of 50 shades entirely at the feet of women.

It was written by a woman, and bought almost exclusively by women. It's nothing more than p*rnography and worst of all, it's not even well written p*rnography. It's dreadful. I didn't think it was possible, but it's actually more poorly written than Twilight.

So thanks ladies, you collectively dumbed down the English speaking world.

And before anyone says it no, it's not erotica, it's p*rn.

Oh, and one final thing. I also loved the amazing hypocrisy on display from every woman reading those bloody books on trains and buses. If I had whipped out a copy of Penthouse Forum I would have gotten dirty looks, right?
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 7:05:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 12/27/13 - 6:50:55 PM Guilty_Spark wrote:
So thanks ladies, you collectively dumbed down the English speaking world.

This statement reveals your sexism, whether you realize it or not.

Like Floor_Demon said, while some women are participating in these industries and supporting these industries, the strongest voice of opposition is from female critics.

Women are not a single, uniform, deterministic category.

There are many kinds of women with many kinds of opinions and perspectives.

By accusing us all of dumbing down the English speaking world because one woman wrote a silly book that a group of women enjoyed ignores the fact that there are plenty of other women who are critical of the book.

You can point to the fact that most of the people who read these books are women, but you can also point to the fact that most people who criticize these...
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 7:10:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
books are feminists, who TEND TO BE WOMEN. You won't see these women endorsing the merits of a rom-com. We aren't all the same, dude.

When women engage in the perpetuation of negative stereotypes, they're internalizing sexism. That internalization doesn't justify sexism.

And if you want to look at it from another standpoint, directorial and executive positions in film are still dominated by men. So while women do patron rom-coms and what have you, men are often the ones producing them. From this perspective, both men and women are participating in the continuation of gender roles and gender stereotypes. The way they participate is actually determined by these roles, which is a testament to how deeply embedded they are in the social fabric.
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 7:10:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 12/27/13 - 6:50:55 PM Guilty_Spark wrote:
So thanks ladies, you collectively dumbed down the English speaking world.
On Friday 12/27/13 - 7:05:55 PM BlackBird77 wrote:
By accusing us all of dumbing down the English speaking world


I wasn't, I was accusing the millions of women who made that hack a multi millionaire of dumbing down the English speaking world.

I wasn't 'revealing sexism', but you just revealed your reactionary attitude and ability to fire off a knee-jerk response, didn't you?
8 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 12/27/13 - 7:13:33 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 12/27/13 - 7:05:55 PM BlackBird77 wrote:
Women are not a single, uniform, deterministic category. There are many kinds of women with many kinds of opinions and perspectives.


Gee, really? I didn't realise the Captain Obvious competition was back on.

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