WASHINGTON - The investigation of the treatment of prisoners from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq has  recently uncovered 12 more detainees who have died in U.S. custody. Defense officials told reporters that the Army had investigated the deaths of 32 detainees in Iraq and five others in Afghanistan since August 2002, 12 more than the Defense Department reported two weeks ago. The victims are from 33 separate cases, two of which involved more than one death. 

Nine of the cases remain open, and eight of those are classified as homicides, NBC News’ Tom Busby reported. Those deaths, six of which occurred in Iraq, are believed to have followed assaults by U.S. soldiers before, during or after interrogations...

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Do you think it's really all that surprising that Iraq detainees are being abused and killed, considering people who voluntarily join the military have no problem with violence?
WASHINGTON - The investigation of the treatment of prisoners from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq has recently uncovered 12 more detainees who have died in U.S. custody. Defense officials told reporters that the Army had investigated the deaths of 32 detainees in Iraq and five others in Afghanistan since August 2002, 12 more than the Defense Department reported two weeks ago. The victims are from 33 separate cases, two of which involved more than one death.

Nine of the cases remain open, and eight of those are classified as homicides, NBC News’ Tom Busby reported. Those deaths, six of which occurred in Iraq, are believed to have followed assaults by U.S. soldiers before, during or after interrogations...

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18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Thursday 5/27/04 - 10:36:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
This question is a load of crap.
The question is leading.
18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 5/28/04 - 7:37:41 AM EST (GMT-5)
Actually, it's not. People who would sign up to kill others aren't exactly pacifists - they don't believe in solving problems without using violence. So why would they not use violence with detainees? They are trained to hate and kill the enemy.
18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 5/28/04 - 7:39:23 AM EST (GMT-5)
No offense to anyone in the military though - if someone's going to fight for my freedom, I'm not going to stand in their way. There is a certain type of personality that can deal with being in the military though, and I don't get that personality. I'm not that easily trained.
18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 5/28/04 - 7:45:33 AM EST (GMT-5)
kikipeepers, as someone in officer training, I should probably be very offended by what you just wrote. But I guess I'm used to it by now.

People in the military do believe in solving problems without using violence. And that is the route they take. BUT people in the military ALSO understand that there comes a time when violence is the appropriate and only way to solve the problem.

Your entire first post speaks of your ignorance of the military and those in it. There are as many people (per capita) in the military angered by the abuse of prisoners as there are in civilian life. Perhaps more, because it misrepresents your average person in the army, and many servicemen do not appreciate that.

18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 5/28/04 - 8:19:17 AM EST (GMT-5)
I'm sure I am ignorant about it - I don't know anyone in the military, nobody in my family has even been in it before. You have to understand what the average citizen sees though - if they feel like me, they are pretty darn ashamed of our forces right now. It sickens me to think that other countries think we are as bad as terrorists now because of all the abuse going on. And I was reading the other day how coalition forces are stealing from Iraqi civilians during house raids too - Iraqis don't believe in banks, so they keep wads of money all over their houses. American troops have allegedly been trashing houses and taking people's money before sending them to the torture chambers (aka military prison). It pisses me off, my opinion of the military isn't that high right now. I know it's just a few bad seeds, but there were plenty of opportunities for good people to report what was happening but they were all too cowed to do it. It's all b*llpoo.
18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 5/28/04 - 8:19:56 AM EST (GMT-5)
Oops put the asterik on the wrong part of the word that time
18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 5/28/04 - 8:26:25 AM EST (GMT-5)
"People in the military do believe in solving problems without using violence. And that is the route they take."

I completely agree with that.

"BUT people in the military ALSO understand that there comes a time when violence is the appropriate and only way to solve the problem."

I recognise the truth in that, although I can't condone it.

"Do you think it's really all that surprising that Iraq detainees are being abused and killed, considering people who voluntary join the military have no problem with violence?"

I'm kinda lost for words about that...

18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 5/28/04 - 8:34:57 AM EST (GMT-5)
Violence is not always the answer. It is the last and desperate way to solve an issue. George bush has managed to get this country into an unjust war that is now costing us.Also war is war violence is part of it. If it were to take 30,000 people to beat the enemy and there are civilians in the way or wanting join my enemy they may aswell put a gun to there own head cause i will take no prisoners. If tahts what it takes to survive i will do that. Also i think George Wan*** bush and Tony the bum boy blair want to start a fight fine by me but they are the ones who should be on the front lines.
18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 5/28/04 - 8:11:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
Those of us in the military are just as ashamed of what has happened as I'm sure most civilians are.
18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 5/28/04 - 8:19:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
I really hope so. But that won't make the rest of the world stop hating us, and it doesn't stop the abuses from happening. So far the only person I've seen get in trouble for the abuse got one year in a military prison. That isn't EVEN a slap on the wrist. It's more like a joke.
18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Tuesday 6/1/04 - 10:52:26 AM EST (GMT-5)
18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Tuesday 6/1/04 - 10:59:25 AM EST (GMT-5)
putting womens panties on someone's head isn't abuse. In some circles it is expected.
18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Tuesday 6/1/04 - 11:13:11 AM EST (GMT-5)
#16
18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Tuesday 6/1/04 - 11:14:35 AM EST (GMT-5)
Kikipeepers, Normally I reserve my special venom for Bored but in this case I'll bite. First your question isn't a question, it's a statement ending in a question mark. How you got your pacifist left wing op-ended piece of crap "question"approved is beyond me. Secondly, rather you agree with the US foreign policies or not, you failed to attack the people in power who make and have the ability to direct or change that policy. And instead you attack those ordered to carry out those policies by questioning their motives and morals.
I have worked in prisons before and although that type of conduct would most likely not happen here on the domestic front, all is fair in war. Yes, war, I'm sure you have failed to notice that we are at war. In war the enemy MUST be dehumanized in he must be treated with the utmost of contempt. only later can we turn to pacification efforts. I'm sure this is lost on someone with your lack of military training.
18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Tuesday 6/1/04 - 12:07:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
Left-wing?

I'm about as staunchly Republican as they get. But that doesn't mean I think abuse is okay.

18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Tuesday 6/1/04 - 3:51:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
Either do I, But the three most important words to maintaining good mental health are "get over it." The press will keep it on the front page without your help. Those responsible will be punished beyond their crimes. We are at war. War is all about mans inhumanity to his fellow man. That seems to be lost on the last two generations. In WW2, While in France and in Germany, In many cases I either shot, bayoneted or fragmented with grenades dozens of German solders who only crime was being in a German uniform. And to this day if I thought burning them alive would have saved the lives of my buddies or shortened the war by one day, I would have borrowed your matches to burn them alive at the stake. War is hell little girl, it's not to be entered into lightly nor should it be undertaken by the faint of heart.
Bash the people who put your nations warriors in harm way but never lash out against those who answered the call of duty to defend your rights to post dissension on this ve
18 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Tuesday 6/1/04 - 3:52:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
(Cont.) very page.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 6/8/04 - 6:48:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
Although a year in prison is not an extremely harsh punishment, it is no slap on the wrist. Have you ever been in a military prison kiki?
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 6/8/04 - 7:54:57 PM EST (GMT-5)
Uhh, no. Like I said, I've never been in the military.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 6/8/04 - 8:04:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
Well, yes I know. I was just trying to prove a point that military prisons are especially unpleasant places to be.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 6/8/04 - 8:23:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
I have heard that ... will they get treated like the Iraqi prisoners were treated?
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 6/9/04 - 10:25:05 AM EST (GMT-5)
only complete morons want to join the military to fulfill their dream of being the big man instead of the dumb loser they really are. Should have worked harder at school you freaks, get a real job.

Venting your spleen by wanting to go and kill some foreigners isn't getting you anywhere.

18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 6/9/04 - 10:30:48 AM EST (GMT-5)
It's not a valid explanantion.

Drafted soldiers during Vietnam engaged in atrocities. There have also been many scholarly studies into soldiers during WWII that were ordered to shoot entire villages' worth of Jews at once. These were ordinary enlisted men, most of whom expressed extreme resistance and disgust toward the idea of shooting babies in the backs of their head and then dumping them into mass graves. However, as time went on, they first became ambivalent and later became enthusiastic about their work.

These were not violent men in their civilian lives. There is a difference between picking up a gun to "defend" your country and believing that violence is a good answer and that sadism is okay.

18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 6/9/04 - 1:43:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
I am currently serving in the U.S. military. I and so many like me are not violent people, just people who are serving and protecting their country. If it was possible we would never use violence but do you really think that most countries want to sit down and just talk it over? No. If you have never served and really seen what's it like to be in the military than you should tone down your insults to issues you know what you're talking about. I volunteered with pride to join and I still have pride. I have no problem with anyone's opinions but please remember why your so freely able to state your opinions.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 6/9/04 - 7:37:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
Everything that fraggle just said, I agree with wholeheartedly. I'm also in the military currently on a deployment to Kuwait.

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