nig·gard·ly   
1.	reluctant to give or spend; stingy; miserly.
2.	meanly or ungenerously small or scanty: a niggardly tip to a waiter.
–adverb
3.	in the manner of a niggard.



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Does the word niggardly offend you?
nig·gard·ly

1. reluctant to give or spend; stingy; miserly.

2. meanly or ungenerously small or scanty: a niggardly tip to a waiter.

–adverb

3. in the manner of a niggard.

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Even though there is no reference to race in the definition people get outraged by the use of the word.

There was a big uproar about the word in 1999 when David Howard, a mayoral aid for Washington DC, used it in a reference for a budget.


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15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Wednesday 4/18/07 - 2:01:43 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, the word "n***ard" does not offend the Kurgan because the Kurgan knows the meaning of the word and that it is in no way related to the "n word".

People do tend to be ignorant about the word "n***ard" and assume it is the same as the "n word". People need to educate themselves and enlarge their vocabulary.

The same with the swastika... when someone sees the swastika, they almost immediately associate it with the Nazis.... but the swastika is an ancient sacred symbol that pre-dates the Nazis by 1000s of years and is still used by Hindus, Buddhists, and Jains to this day. People need to educate themselves about the history of this symbol before jumping to the conclusion that it is only a Nazi symbol. When one sees the swastika, one should inquire as to the context of its use. Context is everything.

15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Wednesday 4/18/07 - 2:25:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
no. but then again, neither does n*gger. i'm white, you see.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Wednesday 4/18/07 - 2:40:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
Nope. Like the kurgan, I know its real meaning from the '99 incident with David Howard. I wouldn't dare use it unless it was a conversation where #1, I wanted to prove that point about its being a different word, and #2, I could quell any uproar.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Wednesday 4/18/07 - 2:44:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 4/18/2007 2:40:34 PM IRLIteach wrote:
Nope. Like the kurgan, I know its real meaning from the '99 incident with David Howard. I wouldn't dare use it unless it was a conversation where #1, I wanted to prove that point about its being a different word, and #2, I could quell any uproar.

I second this.

15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Thursday 4/19/07 - 7:28:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
Not really.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 10:26:12 AM EST (GMT-5)
I'm familiar with the meaning of the word as well, but it could easily be grievously misheard and should therefore be treated with caution.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 10:32:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
that's ridiculous, media-junkie... just because a word may sound like another word, even though the two words are completely different, does not mean we should avoid using that word. anyone who jumps to conclusions without first trying to understand what the true meaning of the word is or its context therein is in the wrong... not the person using that word.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 10:36:27 AM EST (GMT-5)
You should stop calling yourself the Kurgan.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 10:38:04 AM EST (GMT-5)
just like the use of the swastika... the Kurgan has seen the swastika being used by Hindus and Jains and Buddhists in his city... should they stop using their sacred symbol (which predates the Nazis by millenia) just because a crazed lunatic co-opted their symbol, distorted and corrupted it, and made it the symbol for an evil regime? Of course not. The swastika is a sacred symbol to them and they shouldn't disregard it because of how the Nazis desecrated it. Before the Kurgan jumps to conclusions, he would first make the attempt to understand the context in which the symbol is being used.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 10:40:29 AM EST (GMT-5)
kyry, why does it offend you that the Kurgan refers to himself in the third person? the Kurgan should be allowed to refer to himself as he likes... whether that be in the first or third person. Why referring to oneself in the third person unnerves people so much is beyond the Kurgan's comprehension.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 10:41:53 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 4/20/2007 10:38:05 AM kurgan wrote:
Before the Kurgan jumps to conclusions, he would first make the attempt to understand the context in which the symbol is being used.

Indeed, but 1) not everyone would know that it has other meanings, 2) not everyone would assume you know that, and 3) people would be more likely to assume you were going with the better known option if you were to wear one around. Would you, for example, wear a swastika (in a non-Nazi fashion) in the street? If not, why not?

15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 10:43:05 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 4/20/2007 10:40:29 AM kurgan wrote:
the Kurgan should be allowed to refer to himself as he likes...

I agree, and unrelated to that, I also like it.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 10:43:15 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 4/20/2007 10:40:29 AM kurgan wrote:
kyry, why does it offend you that the Kurgan refers to himself in the third person? the Kurgan should be allowed to refer to himself as he likes... whether that be in the first or third person. Why referring to oneself in the third person unnerves people so much is beyond the Kurgan's comprehension.

1) That's just my opinion, and we all know you're very tolerant of others' opinions.

2) It doesn't offend me.

3) It doesn't unnerve me.

The reason, if you're interested, is that I can think of at least one other Kurgan. Therefore, you are not "the" Kurgan.

15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 10:50:08 AM EST (GMT-5)
Well, kyry, the Kurgan wouldn't wear a swastika in the streets because the Kurgan isn't a Buddhist, Hindu, or Jain. If he was, then he might. but knowing the ignorance of the vast majority of americans and westerners regarding the swastika, then the kurgan would be hesitent to wear it because he might be lynched by a lynch mob of ignorami who jump to a wrong conclusion about the swastika without taking the time to understand the symbol or its context in which the kurgan might be wearing it.

And as the Kurgan said... before jumping to conclusions, one should make the effort to understand the meaning of the word or symbol as well as the context in which that word or symbol is being used. before jumping to conclusions, maybe one should educate himself/herself as to the meanings of words and symbols.

15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 10:58:24 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 4/20/2007 10:50:08 AM kurgan wrote:
...the kurgan would be hesitent to wear it because he might be lynched by a lynch mob of ignorami who jump to a wrong conclusion about the swastika without taking the time to understand the symbol or its context in which the kurgan might be wearing it.

In other words, wearing it could easily be grievously misunderstood and should therefore be treated with caution.

Also, don't assume people in general are ignorami just because they don't know a comparatively obscure fact about the origins of the swastika sign (it doesn't just have Buddhist, Hindu or Jain origins... but no doubt you knew that). They may equally be in the position - whether or not they're prone to jumping to conclusions - that they know enough about it to draw justified conclusions about why you're wearing it. If you see something that looks like a donkey, chances are that it is a donkey.

15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 11:00:41 AM EST (GMT-5)
well, you are entitled to your opinion and to voice it, kyry... just as the Kurgan is entitled to his opinion and is entitled to voice his opinion and to disagree with those opinions he disagrees with and voice said disagreements.

The Kurgan was under the impression that the voicing of one's opinions and disagreements with other's opinions was the point of this forum. The Kurgan thought this was supposed to be a open forum of an interchange of ideas and opinions... in both agreement and disagreement. Or was the Kurgan mistaken?

The Kurgan certainly won't apologize for voicing his opinions and his disagreements with others... especially with the amoral and morally laissez faire opinions of the liberal decadents here. Or has this become strictly the refuge and sanctuary of the liberals and their amoral ilk?

And the Kurgan is certainly entitled to also refer to himself as THE Kurgan if he wants.

15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 11:05:03 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 4/20/2007 11:00:41 AM kurgan wrote:
well, you are entitled to your opinion and to voice it, kyry... just as the Kurgan is entitled ...blah blah... the Kurgan is certainly entitled to also refer to himself as THE Kurgan if he wants.

I'm actually surprised (and somewhat amused) that you took my small parody seriously enough to type out a 960 character response. I won't afford your pompous declarations about others' morality the same dignity.

15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 11:06:20 AM EST (GMT-5)
yes, the kurgan fears the ignorance of the masses. as alexander hamilton once said "the masses are asses."

the problem is the ignorami in their ignorance often do not try to understand the meanings of words and symbols or their context and jump to conclusions based on their faulty knowledge. but the person using the word or symbol is not in the wrong for using it, the ignorami are in the wrong for their ignorance and jumping to conclusions. again, before jumping to conclusions, maybe one should make the effort to educate him/herself or try to understand the context.

15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 11:09:18 AM EST (GMT-5)
hm, the kurgan guesses that basing one's morality on one's religion (in this particular case, the Scriptures of the Abrahamic religious traditions -- the Hebrew Scriptures, the Christian Scriptures and the Qur'an) is pompous?
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 11:11:36 AM EST (GMT-5)
Or is it wrong for the kurgan to voice his moral opinions (as based upon the Abrahamic religious Scriptures)? Again, has this become the refuge and sanctuary of the secular, the agnostic, and the atheist?
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 11:11:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 4/20/2007 11:06:21 AM kurgan wrote:
yes, the kurgan fears the ignorance of the masses. as alexander hamilton once said "the masses are asses." the problem is the ignorami in their ignorance often do not try to understand the meanings of words and symbols or their context and jump to conclusions based on their faulty knowledge. but the person using the word or symbol is not in the wrong for using it, the ignorami are in the wrong for their ignorance and jumping to conclusions. again, before jumping to conclusions, maybe one should make the effort to educate him/herself or try to understand the context.

And where do you draw the line? At what point is a conclusion justified rather than jumped to? For the way you present it, it would always seem there could be more to know that would render your conclusion unjustified.

The point is, a conclusion can be wrong, but still justified, or, put another way, wrong and yet not leaped to.

15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 11:15:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 4/20/2007 11:09:18 AM kurgan wrote:
hm, the kurgan guesses that basing one's morality on one's religion (in this particular case, the Scriptures of the Abrahamic religious traditions -- the Hebrew Scriptures, the Christian Scriptures and the Qur'an) is pompous?

Whether it is or not was not implied, directly or indirectly, by my comment. It's interesting that you don't see a problem with your own leaping to very general conclusions about the morality of an entire massive demographic.

15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 11:17:35 AM EST (GMT-5)
There is no way to say that something wrong is ever justified. sorry, but the kurgan believes something that is wrong can not be justified. Again, as the kurgan has written ad nauseum, before anyone jumps to conclusions about a word or symbol, they must first make the effort to educate themselves to the meaning of that symbol/word and inquire into its context. the kurgan really doesn't think that is too much to ask.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 11:19:09 AM EST (GMT-5)
why oh why did I choose this debate to follow when I'm too tired to participate myself
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/20/07 - 11:24:30 AM EST (GMT-5)
well, based upon the opinions of the liberals, secularists, agnostics, and atheists here and all that the Kurgan knows IRL, they are overwhelmingly amoral and morally laissez faire... and they attack those who are morally conservative. They are as intolerant of those who are morally conservative as they think the morally conservative are of others. That is based upon my own experience. There may be liberals et al. in existence that aren't, but the Kurgan has yet to meet one. The Kurgan will definitely leave the potential open for that to be true.

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