http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Ape_personhood

'Advocates of Great Ape personhood consider common chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, and orangutans (the hominid apes) to be persons. They seek legal recognition of this status.

The best-known advocate is Jane Goodall, appointed a Goodwill Ambassador of the United Nations to fight the bushmeat trade and end ape extinction. Other well-known advocates are Richard Dawkins, Noel Edmonds and Peter Singer.

Goodall's longitudinal studies revealed the social and family life of chimps to be very similar to that of human beings in most respects. She herself calls them individuals, and says they relate to her as an individual member of the clan. Laboratory studies of ape language ability began to reveal other human traits, as did genetics, and eventually three of the great apes were reclassified as hominids.

This, plus rising ape extinction and the animal-rights movement has put pressure on nations to recognize apes as having limited rights and being legal 'persons'. In response, the United Kingdom introduced a ban on research using Great Apes, although testing on other non-human primates continues.' Question Who's Online | Find Members | Private Messages
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Do you support Great Ape personhood?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_...

`Advocates of Great Ape personhood consider common chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, and orangutans (the hominid apes) to be persons. They seek legal recognition of this status.

The best-known advocate is Jane Goodall, appointed a Goodwill Ambassador of the United Nations to fight the bushmeat trade and end ape extinction. Other well-known advocates are Richard Dawkins, Noel Edmonds and Peter Singer.

Goodall`s longitudinal studies revealed the social and family life of chimps to be very similar to that of human beings in most respects. She herself calls them individuals, and says they relate to her as an individual member of the clan. Laboratory studies of ape language ability began to reveal other human traits, as did genetics, and eventually three of the great apes were reclassified as hominids.

This, plus rising ape extinction and the animal-rights movement has put pressure on nations to recognize apes as having limited rights and being legal `persons`. In response, the United Kingdom introduced a ban on research using Great Apes, although testing on other non-human primates continues.`


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15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Sunday 2/18/07 - 6:03:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, because the fact that their social minds function in a similar fashion to ours does not make them human - so why should they have the same status as humans?

They aren't even necessarily the most intelligent non-human species in the world; as far as I know, very little research has been done on dolphin social interaction in their natural habitat. And what has been done seems to conclude that dolphins are not dissimilar from us either.

15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Sunday 2/18/07 - 6:15:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
Are they going to start doing jobs that even Mexicans won't do?
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Sunday 2/18/07 - 6:57:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
I agree that they should be treated as individuals.
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Sunday 2/18/07 - 7:07:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
Technically, yes...that is, I think they are intelligent enough and sophisticated enough socially to not be treated entirely like animals...they are more intelligent than that.

But I don't exactly think they should be treated exactly the same as humans either.

15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Sunday 2/18/07 - 7:28:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2/18/2007 6:57:59 PM Abzurd wrote:
I agree that they should be treated as individuals.

Only if they are given the same responsibilities.
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Sunday 2/18/07 - 7:35:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
I do feel that the hominid apes should be protected but persons? I think my anthropology professor taught me a little better than that...
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Sunday 2/18/07 - 7:39:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
Dogs can react to humans on an individual basis as well but I wouldn't give them human responsibilities or the right to vote. I believe all animals should be treated properly and respectfully because we, as humans, recognize this to be right. I doubt Apes would be able to distinguish between human concepts of right and wrong or even benevolency for that matter. Individual characteristics they have...people, they are not.
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Sunday 2/18/07 - 7:59:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
if corporations can have the legal rights of a human being, why can't actual living, breathing things?

that said, i dont kno whow i feel about it. if thats how far experts think they need to go to protect these animals, sure, but it seems a little excessive.

15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Sunday 2/18/07 - 8:19:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
Well, let's say an ape attacked you, it would feel silly to put them on trial and then in jail with human inmates, wouldn't it?
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Sunday 2/18/07 - 11:37:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
MONKEYS AREN'T PEOPLE!!
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/19/07 - 12:12:33 AM EST (GMT-5)
^^^The question is about apes, not monkeys.
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/19/07 - 5:54:03 AM EST (GMT-5)
They're obviously a lot more intelligent than lots of other animals and anatomically they're more similar to humans than any other but I don't think we should try to turn them into people.
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/19/07 - 1:49:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2/18/2007 8:19:06 PM AndresH wrote:
Well, let's say an ape attacked you, it would feel silly to put them on trial and then in jail with human inmates, wouldn't it?

well, they dont send piles of stock certificates to jail when a corporation commits a crime. it seems pretty obvious to me that those in charge of the ape would be punished, within reasonable bounds, for the behaviour of said ape.

15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/19/07 - 1:51:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
If it will help save them, and stop cruelty, I'm all for it. Even if *technically* it doesn't make sense, functionally it does.
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/19/07 - 2:51:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
If one of those primates attacked someone would they put them on trial?
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/19/07 - 9:00:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2/19/2007 2:51:15 PM tinsley wrote:
If one of those primates attacked someone would they put them on trial?

Supposidly, consideriing they would have legal rights...
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/19/07 - 9:02:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2/19/2007 9:00:39 PM cheezeman892 wrote:
On 2/19/2007 2:51:15 PM tinsley wrote: If one of those primates attacked someone would they put them on trial? Supposidly, consideriing they would have legal rights...

But if it kills how will it choose which form of the death penalty it will get?
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/19/07 - 9:56:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
This question appears too many times. Txfireman, you suck.
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/19/07 - 11:38:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
Planet of the Apes
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Tuesday 2/20/07 - 12:32:35 AM EST (GMT-5)
I think the only ones who should be treated as people are people.
Even though apes are very intelligent compared to other animals and have a similar social/family life, doesn't mean they should be treated the same as we are. They can't exactly bear the same responsibilities, etc. as we do, nor could the properly have the same legal rights...
But I think that all animals shouldn't be subjected to cruelty and should be treated fairly.
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/21/07 - 3:50:43 AM EST (GMT-5)
Might as well give dogs driving licences or let whales qualify for boat loans.
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Saturday 2/24/07 - 8:32:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
No. Because to be a person you have to be a human. And to be a human you have to be a member of Homo sapiens. Sorry, apes. Can you imagine the complications that would come from legally including apes as persons?

Didn't they branch off like 6 million years ago? That's way too much of a stretch.

15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Saturday 2/24/07 - 9:22:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2/24/2007 8:32:39 PM turtle2193 wrote:
No. Because to be a person you have to be a human. And to be a human you have to be a member of Homo sapiens.

Legally, corporations are persons.

15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Sunday 2/25/07 - 4:19:57 AM EST (GMT-5)
Unless I meet a chimp that wears a suit and while smoking a fine cuban cigar can tell me what a f*ckoff the human race is, I aint buying it
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Sunday 2/25/07 - 5:05:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
No, they share some similarities and i want to limit animal testing as far as possible. The great ape society is to much.

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