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1,358 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 16 years ago by Aburame

Is faith the absence of reason?


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16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Sunday 4/30/06 - 11:07:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
Well, duh!
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Sunday 4/30/06 - 11:08:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, though it is prioritized more highly among people with faith.
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Sunday 4/30/06 - 11:09:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
I believe so.

Faith is necessary in situations where there is no logic or concrete proof to support what you believe.

16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Sunday 4/30/06 - 11:09:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think so. I see no reason to have faith.
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Sunday 4/30/06 - 11:12:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
Absolutely! Though, I think there are times in a person's life when it's acceptable not to be logical.
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Sunday 4/30/06 - 11:19:43 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 4/30/2006 11:09:48 PM cryndigo wrote:
I think so. I see no reason to have faith.

Clever clever.

Faith in its purest form is absent of reason, but a lot of people don't use faith in this form.

16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Monday 5/1/06 - 4:08:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't see any reason why I should want you to burn in hell if I don't answer this question with Yes...
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Monday 5/1/06 - 4:11:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
I guess so. Faith doesn't require reason. It just requires unfaltering trust.
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 5/2/06 - 11:15:32 AM EST (GMT-5)
faith and reason go hand in hand. If you have one without the other you're missing the point.
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 5/2/06 - 11:55:46 AM EST (GMT-5)
When it gets to a certain extent, yes, it is. But it can just be another way of seeing things I suppose...
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 5/2/06 - 1:13:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 5/2/2006 11:15:33 AM libmius wrote:
faith and reason go hand in hand. If you have one without the other you're missing the point.

Faith and reason go hand and hand? What the hell are you talking about? One is the absolute antithesis of the other.

16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 5/2/06 - 1:24:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
It really rather depends on what you mean by 'faith'.

I have a very strong faith.

I have faith in my belief that there are no gods and that organised religion is inherently flawed. UncleLaughie (for example) has faith that the Christian God exists and influences his life on a daily basis.

Both of us have reached our belief system through careful thought and exploration of our individual philosophies.

We both 'believe' we are right and have 'faith' in that belief. Neither of us is wrong. Neither of us is right.

16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 5/2/06 - 1:26:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, faith is the belief in something in the absence of evidence.
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 5/2/06 - 6:58:00 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 5/2/2006 1:13:23 PM Aburame wrote:
On 5/2/2006 11:15:33 AM libmius wrote: faith and reason go hand in hand. If you have one without the other you're missing the point. Faith and reason go hand and hand? What the hell are you talking about? One is the absolute antithesis of the other.

Listen Sparky... the peanut butter doesn't oust the presence of the jelly. We can taste both, and they compliment each other. How is this possible? Now hush and think for a minute about things like this.

16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 5/2/06 - 7:07:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, because you need faith to believe in reason too. I think that's what Neitzche was trying to get at.
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 5/2/06 - 10:33:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
Not at all, and I say this as an agnostic.
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 5/2/06 - 10:34:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, faith can exist alongside reason...You can paint a picture using both black paint and white paint, and if you do it right, they compliment each other.
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 5/2/06 - 10:42:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 5/2/2006 10:34:05 PM VanDiemen wrote:
No, faith can exist alongside reason...

Of course, it goes without saying that a person can possess both faith and reason.

Can a particular *belief* be based both on faith *and* on reason, though?
If a belief is based on reason, why would you need to have *faith* in it?

For example:

I *believe* that there isn't a blue tiger outside my door right now, because there are no tigers roaming about in my part of the world, I live nowhere near a zoo, and I have neither seen nor heard of a blue tiger in my life.
If that belief is rooted in reason and logic, why would I have to rely on my *faith*, as well?

16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 5/3/06 - 8:11:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
Good questions, melLowstar. I think sometimes people have faith because they find it reasonable. There's not proof, exactly, at that point, but they reason through it and it makes sense. I think most non-religious people acknowledge that faith doesn't require proof and is a separate entity from knowledge (there are highly religious scientists, for example). In other cases, the faith may come first, then the people find reason in it. It makes sense. It creates a perspective that makes sense. That's often where religious people find "proof," too, though they make a mistake when they try to impress this proof upon others because it isn't completely objective.
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 5/3/06 - 1:00:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 5/2/2006 1:13:23 PM Aburame wrote:
Faith and reason go hand and hand? What the hell are you talking about? One is the absolute antithesis of the other.

to a truly enlightened soul there is no such thing as an "antithesis." no black and white...just grey. But considering your age, sir, it is not unatural for you to feel that way.
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 5/3/06 - 1:02:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 5/3/2006 1:00:01 PM libmius wrote:
to a truly enlightened soul there is no such thing as an "antithesis." no black and white...just grey. But considering your age, sir, it is not unatural for you to feel that way.
Ironically, enough, that's a pretty black and white statement in itself.
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 5/3/06 - 1:10:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
Haha, that's the problem, isn't it UL?

"There are no categorically true statements"
"The statement above is not categorically true"

Huh??

16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 5/3/06 - 3:28:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
i went to a private christian school most of my life, and i think that all religion is bullsh*t
its just something that ancient men invented to rip ppl off and degrade women
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 5/3/06 - 6:53:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 5/3/2006 1:10:42 PM stylee wrote:
Haha, that's the problem, isn't it UL? "There are no categorically true statements" "The statement above is not categorically true" Huh??

It's true, there's nothing quite like a good paradox.

16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 5/4/06 - 1:43:35 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 5/3/2006 3:28:46 PM flipflops wrote:
i went to a private christian school most of my life, and i think that all religion is bullsh*t its just something that ancient men invented to rip ppl off and degrade women

So, you spent a couple years learn ABC and 123 from a few bible thumpers, and all of a sudden you are an expert on "all religion"? Tell me, why do you think that "all religion is bullsh*t"?


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