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2,210 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 15 years ago by jarhead

Do you think that it is ok for the U.S. Senate to pray before it goes into session?


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15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 9/27/05 - 4:13:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
whatevr.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 9/27/05 - 4:15:59 PM EST (GMT-5)
I couldn't care less. And, considering there are no atheists in Congress, I doubt anyone there is offended either.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Wednesday 9/28/05 - 2:20:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, that's appalling.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Wednesday 9/28/05 - 2:23:57 PM EST (GMT-5)
If there are any atheists in Congress, they apparently have the good sense to pick their battles, rather than to whine about something that ultimately does not impose upon their personal views.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Wednesday 9/28/05 - 2:25:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
No. If I were involved I wouldn't do it.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 9/29/05 - 1:41:05 AM EST (GMT-5)
Oh, come on. Isn't the atheist battle cry "Respect my right"? "Respect my right" to not believe in God, "respect my right" to not have to look at religious images in the public sector, "respect my right" to not be offended by religious messages...?

Well, respect the right of those in the Senate who DO believe in God to ask Him to help them lead the country. Surely that's not too much to ask, after all the respect you demand.

15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 9/29/05 - 5:57:54 AM EST (GMT-5)
I see no problem with Senate praying as a group, as long as everyone in Senate wishes to do so. I think people should have the right to abstain if they so choose, of course.

I do have a problem with the fact that there are no athetists in Congress and that it would be near impossible for an atheist to be elected in most places. Such is the misfortune of an agnostic living in a christian dominated society, I suppose.

I also have a problem with the fact that tax dollars pay the salaries of chaplains for both the Senate and the House.

15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 9/29/05 - 5:58:59 AM EST (GMT-5)
Most governing bodies do this before the settle down to business. It's hardly unusual.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 9/29/05 - 8:16:39 AM EST (GMT-5)
Sure. I say a prayer before every meal. There's no difference.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 9/29/05 - 4:46:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
Unhailey, it's true that if a politician advertised that he was an atheist, it would be political suicide.

But to claim that every single member of the Senate is a professing believer in SOME religion? I seriously doubt that.

As far as the chaplains go... our tax dollars pay the salaries of every chaplain in the armed forces, as well. Wouldn't you agree that the spiritual health of our public servants is important? Chaplains are not limited to "religious" advising, you know. Perhaps you would prefer the term "spiritual counselor"?

Just something to think about.

15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 9/29/05 - 8:34:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
I fully believe that some Congress people refer to themselves as general christians when they may not be, but that's just them being hypocrties for the sake of votes. Though, in the eyes of the general public a politican is whatever religion they claim to be, more or less. I doubt many congress people check other.

I have mixed feelings about chaplains in the armed focres, especially in the time of war or conflict. Either way chaplains are intrinsically tied with religion, bottom line. I feel that anyone who wants to attend religious services should be able to do so, though I also think if you're going to cater to one or a few religions you should have advisors available for all the major religions. That makes things more complicated, obviously. Also, I think if you're in an area where diverse religious services are avaiable there isn't a need for chaplains.

15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 9/29/05 - 8:35:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
I pointed on the chaplains assigned to the Senate and House for a few reasons. One, the question was refering to the Senate. Two, Congress isn't in session during popular times for times for religious services and they have plenty of off time to practice their beleifs. So, I don't see the need for a chaplain to be avaiable during the sessions. Three, the chaplains for senate and house make considerably more money than chaplains in the armed services make.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 9/29/05 - 11:54:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
Well, I'll hold my responses for now. I don't know much about the chaplains for Congress.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 9/30/05 - 12:02:46 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 9/27/2005 4:13:30 PM lilbaby14 wrote:
whatevr.

AARGH!!! THAT WORD HAS NO PLACE HERE, I HATE IT!!!!! AT LEAST LEARN TO SPELL, THICKO.

i hate people who respond to a jibe with that wor. it's never used correctly.

and yes, i dont see why not, as long as they arent all forced to.

15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 9/30/05 - 1:15:57 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 9/29/2005 11:54:17 PM dkerwood wrote:
Well, I'll hold my responses for now. I don't know much about the chaplains for Congress.

The House chaplain earns $139,000 per year, and the Senate chaplain's salary is $122,400.


I couldn't find any exact anual salaries for military chaplains, but I did find this page. It's safe to say that most salaries are under 50k.

15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 10/4/05 - 4:00:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
Military chaplains are paid by what rank they are. Their pay is not justified by what they do. A chaplain whose rank is, say a LT Commander, or Captain gets paid the same as others of that rank.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 10/6/05 - 6:15:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
Im a Christian but i firmly believe that religion should be kept out of the law and politics.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 10/6/05 - 6:28:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't see whats wrong with it. I mean the large majority of both houses are some form of Christian. The only non-chrisitian I can think of is Lieberman.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 10/6/05 - 6:58:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
This is the kind of stuff that makes me uncomfortable. Isn't religion personal, and should therefore be practiced in a more or less prviate setting? They have a right to do it, I guess, but I think anyone in the Senate who wants to abstain should have the right to do so as well.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 10/6/05 - 7:23:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't care what god(s) or dietys an elected official prays to before anything. BUT we don't pay government officials to engage in religious activities. Pray to your self and don't waste my tax dollars.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/05 - 1:36:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 10/6/2005 7:23:54 PM simo9000 wrote:
I don't care what god(s) or dietys an elected official prays to before anything. BUT we don't pay government officials to engage in religious activities. Pray to your self and don't waste my tax dollars.

Oh, please. What "tax dollars" are wasted by praying? Surely the mental well-being provided by the prayer is worth the two minutes of prayer.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 10/10/05 - 8:40:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
mental well being? please show me that prayer is absolutely necessary for human homeostasis and maybe well talk. I haven't prayed since i woke up from religion and my mind is pretty well off.

One isolated two minute pray isn't noticable. But if you add up the two minutes spent on every session over say 20 years at the rate that senators are paid by the hour and you might be scared by the figure.

15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 10/10/05 - 8:40:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
Pray all they want.

There is no god


:)

15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 10/10/05 - 8:42:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
If they were praying (as part of the official session, I might have a problem with it, but I don't have a problem with Senators coming together before the Senate goes into session and praying if they want to. As long as it is voluntary and not part of the actual session, it's none of my business.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 10/10/05 - 8:48:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't have a problem with it but I think that if someone wishes to abstain from it they should.

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