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450 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 19 years ago by dimension

Do you agree that atheists are fair to not believe in God because God has shown no direct proof of His existence?


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19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 8:24:22 AM EST (GMT-5)
its fairer than that
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 8:24:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
Not much more to say after that ^^^^^^ pretty conclusive.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 8:38:24 AM EST (GMT-5)
meh
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 9:10:21 AM EST (GMT-5)
It's all been said before.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 9:25:47 AM EST (GMT-5)
yep
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 9:27:02 AM EST (GMT-5)
Sure.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 9:31:01 AM EST (GMT-5)
If God asks us to believe without proof, then that is fair--if He does indeed exist, He makes the rules.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 9:33:27 AM EST (GMT-5)
"If God asks us to believe without proof, then that is fair" i dont rememeber him asking me!
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 10:07:13 AM EST (GMT-5)
It is in the Bible--I guess the proof only exists if you believe that it was Him that was doing the asking.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 10:11:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
If faith is a requirment to believe,then so be it. God could not require someone to believe in him with solid proof.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 10:24:41 AM EST (GMT-5)
"It is in the Bible" - its just a damn book! thats hardly direct communication from God!
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 11:15:23 AM EST (GMT-5)
God can require anything he wants--after all, he is God...
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 11:17:13 AM EST (GMT-5)
If this question isn't loaded, then none of them are.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 11:18:53 AM EST (GMT-5)
Yep.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 3:31:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
i dont think its particularly loaded. i think its pretty fair point.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 3:39:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
he got his message across, when enough people stop believing in him, he'll probably come around again. There may be a power struggle in the heavens.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 3:43:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, I think this is a perfect reason not to believe in God. I also think the bible is not a good reason to DO believe in his existance.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 3:49:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
I would contend that although there is as much objective evidence in favour of believing in God as against, it is a more logically sound position to be an atheist. This is not directly due to a lack of evidence in favour of it, but due to the principle of parsimony. The explanation for a universe's existence that lacks a creator is more parsimonious than one that does not. The "watchmaker" version of the design argument does not stand up, in my opinion, because in order for us to be able to ask the question about God the universe has to be a particular way such that intelligent life is generated. Thus it is bound to look designed. For this reason, the explanation with the fewest variables, ie sans God, is the most logical to take as I see it. But in any case, belief in God is more often than not a matter of faith, and so the logical perspective may not mean much to a believer. But to answer the question, the atheist is in a fair position to not believe in God, even...
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 3:49:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
...though the agnostic position is more logical still on a question such as this.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 4:01:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
But the true logical position would be to believe that it's equally likely we're created and "guided" but omnipotent smurfs.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 4:01:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
By omnipotent smurfs even.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 4:02:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
hmm, omnipotent smurfs, now that does sound possible
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 4:05:59 PM EST (GMT-5)
Im my books it's no less likely then this God character.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 4:06:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
The most logical position, as I said, would be agnosticism. However, to suggest we are "guided" sounds a little too much like suggesting our behaviour is determined, and that is in direct contradiction to Christian doctrine that assures us we are free to choose between good or evil. In any case, I believe it less parsimonious to believe in a creator, so if that is so, the possibilities are not equal as most would suggest.
19 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 6/2/03 - 4:06:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
shaun54, what do you mean by "loaded"?

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