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Will religion ever die out?


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18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 3:47:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
Why act on a group-oriented moral "code" if you know it is simply a measure to further evolution?
18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 3:49:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
People are no longer seeking answers from a higher being, at least not many, not anymore.

For the most part people are indoctrinated into believing it from a young age. There's very little choice involved.

18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 3:49:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
"Can you explain by reason doing something that has no benefit to yourself simply because it's the "right" thing to do?"
gee, I don't know, maybe compassion? In your high held Christian religion, what does the Bible say about compassion, and hold true to what the Bible says, or are you one of the hopefully liberal Christians?

Yes, I do think that civilization will be better without religion, -today-. No more protestants and catholics killing each other in senseless battle, and no more fighting in the middle east.

Maybe you are too f***ing blind to see it, but when you have intellectual integrity, you are little less likely to be a bigot mother f***er.

"I never said people would be more immoral without religion."
"People will find another excuse to look out for only themselves if religion ceases to be."

Thanks for proving my point, religion is a cope out, then something else will be a cope out. I'm not talking about a change...

18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 3:50:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
Where did I say I was Christian?
Where does it say on my profile I am Christian?

Nice assumption.

18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 3:51:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
Fighting in the Middle East is just as much about politics as it is religion.
18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 3:51:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
Because it's already evolved into us; it's in our nature.

Initially, it was as I say. One of the evolutionary theories of religion, which itself is something that is costly to the individual, speaks in terms of signalling - basic social communication. One who is dedicated to the cause (ie a beneficial member of society) proves they are by this form of self-sacrifice (rituals, religious mutilation, rites of passage etc) which is costly and hard to fake. Plus, facial expressions associated thereof are unfakable; there is a subjective difference between faked facial expressions and genuine ones.

18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 3:51:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
Deist=Christian, or have you redefined the meaning.
18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 3:52:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
^that was in response to stylee's post at the top.

sal, chill, man.

18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 3:52:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
Deism is not Christianity...or have you done the redefining?
18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 3:54:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
Stylee: It's caused by religion. Politics keeps it going.
18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 3:55:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm fatiqued.

Proofs evolution is right.

What's the appendix for, when God was perfect creator.

What's the Plantaris Muscle for?

Why do oil companies use evolutional theory to find all with, when it is clearly wrong.

18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 3:56:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
*oil
18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 3:56:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
I agree, kyry, that a member of society will be benefited more if he follows the standards and traditions of the group.

But if a persons morality is based solely on the standard's benefit to himself, it is not altruism. He's doing it for himself, not for any internal "goodness" of the act or it's benefits to others.

18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 3:58:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm a total believer in evolution, and I'm struggeling to see where I say I'm not.
18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 4:00:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
OK I'm drunk. Very drunk.
18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 4:01:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
hahahhaha then keep drinking man.

Or you can be like every journal whore and make a journal about it

18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 4:02:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't know what the hell I'm saying.
18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 4:02:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
sal, none of this conversation is against evolution. Although on that point, the real bafflement is why the eye is back-to-front; light must pass through the nerve fibres and their cell bodies (that eventually coalesce to form the optic nerve) before hitting the photoreceptors. And the tubes leading from the testicles to the nob do a weird, illogical loop, because they evolved from a different, internal, position under the pressure to be in a cooler environment.

stylee, you could say that about any moral act. But either way, what may have been associated with simply personal reward has become ingrained. Maybe it is still about personal reward? But the focus has shifted somewhat from mere expedience to something that is simply "the right thing". And perhaps the reward is, in itself, now just a product of doing the right thing.

18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 4:02:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
correction: writing.
18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 4:03:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
I thought you might be, sal - you always get riled up really easily when you're drunk
18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 4:04:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yeah, I know that. I remember a couple months back when I called everyone a**hole and other amusing things.

At least I have better drunk writing skills now.

18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 4:05:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
Certainly a possibility, Kyry.
Can't disprove it at all.
Can't prove my argument at all.
Guess that's why it's a leap of faith.

Luckily, even those that disagree with me have pretty much the same concept of morality, regardless of why they think they do.

18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 4:05:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
well i'm off, school night
18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 4:08:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
Going to school inebrieated?
#16, that's awesome.
18 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/04 - 4:12:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
Well, neurally speaking morality seems to employ moral emotion - the amygdala, thalamus and upper midbrain are involved (these also tag the significance of people, actions etc). These are all phylogenetically very old. The orbital and medial prefrontal cortex and superior temporal sulcus also have a say - these areas are to do with social interaction and perceptual modalities, and thus are important for moral appraisal.

Larer, sal


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