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3,998 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 15 years ago by Effigy

Should intense psychotherapy be required for all transgenered individuals planning to undergo a sex change surgery?


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15 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 4/21/07 - 5:17:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
2 things:
1. "he was saying that you cant have an opinion if it is wrong" I never said that. I always just said your opinion is wrong, and that you were trying to hide your ignorance with the phrase "it's just my opinion".
2. "and when a person picks apart every little thing in my post, like he did, i would expect him to have more than "research says so" to back himself up" LIke what? Quoting studies? Statistics? I quoted my textbook, but that's not good enough for you. I'm not writing a bloody doctoral thesis, just educating some jerk on the internet
15 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 4/21/07 - 5:19:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
Actually, no, hold that thought. My definition of opinion is having specific thoughts on an ambiguous subject. An opinion based on false facts is not really opinion, it's false belief/knowledge.
15 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 4/21/07 - 5:34:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
copy and pasted from dictionary.com

o·pin·ion
–noun 1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

15 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 4/21/07 - 5:45:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
"I never said that."
On 4/19/2007 10:51:58 PM mynameismike wrote:
you can't have an opinion on fact.

On 4/21/2007 1:50:58 AM mynameismike wrote:
It's not Opinion when it's inherently wrong.

"just educating some jerk on the internet"
you call what you were doing educating??? wow. dont consider teaching a possible career. you were in no way educating me.

"LIke what?"
anything other than because i said so. or because some said "research" says so. i dont find you to be a credible source of information, sorry, but im not going to just take your word for it. and that doesnt make me dumb, or immature, or whatever else you called me either.

15 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 4/21/07 - 5:54:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
""I never said that."" You have severe reading/attention problems: "Actually, no, hold that thought. My definition of opinion is having specific thoughts on an ambiguous subject. An opinion based on false facts is not really opinion, it's false belief/knowledge."

And yeah, I was educating, pointing out how your knowledge was wrong, and saying that studies have shown otherwise. Like I said, I'm not writing a thesis here, so I'm NOT going to go looking for links and references and sh*t.

15 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 4/21/07 - 6:02:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
"that you were trying to hide your ignorance with the phrase "it's just my opinion"."
im pretty sure we already talked about this, but i said that i was hiding nothing. i stated in my first post that i didnt know much about it, so i was not hiding my ignorance, i was stating my opinion about sex changes. ignorant opinion or not, it is still an opinion. i was not demanding you to believe any word of it, nor was i stating any facts or claiming that it is completely true. i was stating my opinion. its not like i was announcing it on national television or at some science convention or something like that.
15 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 4/21/07 - 6:09:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
"And yeah, I was educating, pointing out how your knowledge was wrong, and saying that studies have shown otherwise. Like I said, I'm not writing a thesis here, so I'm NOT going to go looking for links and references and sh*t."
what studies? you have no idea do you? did you not have anything to back yourself up so you just said that there were studies to make yourself look right? thats not educating. and i never asked you to write a thesis, so i dont know why you keep saying that. floordemon gave a good example.

but like i said, i did research on my own, so all i am saying is dont expect people to just accept that you disagree with them without anything to back yourself up. it just makes you look dumb, immature, and lacking logic or whatever the f*ck you said.

15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Tuesday 6/5/07 - 4:31:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
um, no. Because the person knows what is right and if getting the surgery is the right thing and they know they will be happier from it, they shouldn't need therapy. To me it would seem that they are trying to talk the person out of the surgery.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Monday 6/18/07 - 5:22:42 AM EST (GMT-5)
Gotta love flame wars.

im_special, equating homosexuality to transgenderism is classically misinformed. Trust me - nothing you could possibly say regarding transgenderism is quite so hurtfully wrong as saying they're just "ashamed to be gay."

As one of my roommates is transgenderal, as well as another close friend of mine, I'd like to think I've got some perspective on the subject.

rinshae, how often does -anyone- know what's the right thing, especially regarding themselves?

Regarding the question: Intense psychotherapy should be -available- for all transgendered people, both before and after their operation. Psychological screening and evaluation should be (and are) required.


14 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Wednesday 11/28/07 - 9:01:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
Required? No.
But if they want to, they should.

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