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Trump will probably not be prosecuted for the Jan 6th riot

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13 days ago - Saturday 6/18/22 - 12:01:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
Former President Donald Trump’s anti-democratic scheme is well documented, yet the DOJ has not acted quickly to aggressively investigate it, instead deferring to the committee.

Former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti explains why:
Refusing to acknowledge the truth about the 2020 election seems crazy and that is why prosecutors might have a hard time proving Trump knowingly committed fraud.

The Jan. 6 Committee has spent a great deal of time during its first two hearings trying to prove that Trump knew he lost the 2020 election fair and square.

At the core of any fraud prosecution is proving the defendant’s dishonesty and intent to defraud beyond a reasonable doubt.
That’s why Trump’s state of mind — in particular, proof regarding whether he believed what he was peddling — is so important. And why his rather complicated state of mind presents serious problems for prosecutors.
13 days ago - Saturday 6/18/22 - 12:02:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
The committee presented testimony that Trump listened to advisers who told him the truth, but he either dismissed them or tried to convince them they were wrong. Based on those facts, it would be improper for a judge to instruct a jury to consider whether he was willfully ignorant.

While Eastman, Giuliani and Powell were conspiracy theorists whose claims were thrown out of multiple courts, they also were lawyers with, at one time, good credentials. Trump’s defense team would argue that he trusted them and relied on their advice. Poor judgment might disqualify someone for public office, but it is not, in and of itself, a crime.

https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...
12 days ago - Sunday 6/19/22 - 10:06:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
Not at all surprised.
12 days ago - Sunday 6/19/22 - 11:39:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
A complete waste of time and money
12 days ago - Sunday 6/19/22 - 11:39:53 AM EST (GMT-5)
Democrats are good at wasting money
12 days ago - Sunday 6/19/22 - 11:55:13 AM EST (GMT-5)
6 in 10 Americans say Trump should be charged for Jan. 6 riot: POLL

With the first full week of hearings for the House select committee's investigation into the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol now complete, nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe former President Donald Trump should be charged with a crime for his role in the incident, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds.

Six in 10 Americans also believe the committee is conducting a fair and impartial investigation, according to the poll.
12 days ago - Sunday 6/19/22 - 12:02:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think everyone knows Trump should be charged and convicted for multiple crimes including insurrection. Trump didn't care how many people were hurt or killed as long as he could be a dictator.
12 days ago - Sunday 6/19/22 - 12:18:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
"It should be clear to anyone by now that the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, was not an accident. It was the “culmination of an attempted coup,” as Representative Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat who chairs the Jan. 6 committee, put it during the first day of public hearings.

Indeed, the committee’s vice chair, Republican Liz Cheney of Wyoming, said that Trump had led a “sophisticated, seven-part plan to overturn the presidential election.”
11 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 11:23:35 AM EST (GMT-5)
It doesn’t matter what 6 out of 10 Americans say. Did they look at the evidence? What are they basing their opinion on?
11 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 11:27:30 AM EST (GMT-5)
Just the months of outright lying culminating in his rally on 1/6, followed immediately by the insurrection. Shouldn’t have had an impact though, right?
11 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 11:33:39 AM EST (GMT-5)
Trump said, "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Peacefully
11 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 11:35:49 AM EST (GMT-5)
His speech had nothing to do with the Capitol break in. That was all planned by fringe groups weeks before. Most, if not all, of them have already been arrested.
11 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 11:39:08 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 6/20/22 - 11:27:30 AM camelboy wrote:
Just the months of outright lying culminating in his rally on 1/6, followed immediately by the insurrection. Shouldn’t have had an impact though, right?

Right. Unless you can provide some sort of evidence that he was involved in the planning of this or that he even knew about it. So far there’s nothing.
11 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 11:54:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
Conspiracy to defraud the United States and Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding.

Someone with a fraudulent intent did something to obstruct or impede the official functioning of government.

Trump and others trying force Mike Pence to refuse to certify the vote when he had a duty to do so is a conspiracy to defraud the American people and interfere with the proper transfer of Presidential power
11 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 12:09:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
Force is a pretty strong word. Where is your evidence that he forced Mike Pence to do anything?
11 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 12:15:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 6/20/22 - 11:33:39 AM Noldor wrote:
Trump said, "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." Peacefully

Ignoring this?

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore,"

But you’ll ignore this the same way you pick and choose what you want to from the Bible. Not to mention, the speech bordered on nonsensical as all his ramblings do.
11 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 12:31:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
Trump used his position as president to try to "force" his vice president to do an illegal act when he called Pence multiple times after Pence said no and didn't want to commit fraud

But forget force. If use "asked" or "pressured" it is still part of a conspiracy to defraud the American people and interfere with the proper transfer of Presidential power.
11 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 12:46:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
There’s a big difference between asked and forced.
11 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 12:49:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
This is all just a charade to prevent Trump from running again.
11 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 1:12:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
I can’t tell if you’re dumb, obstinate, or just blind. Maybe all 3?
10 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 1:29:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 6/20/22 - 11:33:39 AM Noldor wrote:
Trump said, "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." Peacefully
On Monday 6/20/22 - 12:15:01 PM camelboy wrote:
Ignoring this? "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," But you’ll ignore this the same way you pick and choose what you want to from the Bible. Not to mention, the speech bordered on nonsensical as all his ramblings do.

People often use the expression “fight like hell”. Democrats use it too. It’s a figure of speech. That’s not an explicit call to violence.
10 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 1:34:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
Perhaps coercion is a more appropriate word:

Coercion of Political Activity - To "intimidate, threaten, command, or coerce" any federal employee to engage (or not engage) in any political activity. Punishable by a fine and/or up to three years in prison.

The President of the United Sates told Pence he could "either go down in history as a patriot" or "a pussy" and then called him a wimp when he refused to interfere with the proper transfer of Presidential.

10 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 1:34:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
After their call, Trump added passive-aggressive references to Pence to his speech at the pre-riot "Stop the Steal" rally. By the time Pence arrived at the Capitol, an angry mob of Trump supporters was already gathering outside, the committee said, and Trump's subsequent tweets berating Pence riled up the crowd, leading to chants of "Hang Mike Pence!" When Trump learned about those chants, the committee said in an earlier hearing, he said "maybe our supporters have the right idea," and Pence "deserves it."
10 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 3:23:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 6/20/22 - 1:29:55 PM Noldor wrote:
People often use the expression “fight like hell”. Democrats use it too. It’s a figure of speech. That’s not an explicit call to violence.

Dumb, blind or obstinate? A “figure of speech” was followed by people breaking into the US Capital, threatening the lives of legislators, and trying to overturn the results of a free and fair election. Do you really like sucking Trump’s dick so much that you can’t see that?
10 days ago - Monday 6/20/22 - 3:28:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
The “our supporters …” quote comes from Liz Cheney. She was removed from her leadership position for constantly criticizing Trump. I don’t know how true her statements are. Trump hasn’t commented on this.

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