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State Your Case Part 6: Sublime

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12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Thursday 3/4/10 - 6:28:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
Sublime is considered to be either "Ska-Punk", "Reggae Fusion" or "Surf Rock" in most circles. They were formed in 1988 although two of the members grew up in the same neighborhood in Long Beach, CA. A project called "The Juice Bros" (the original members high school band) is where Bradley Nowell 1st entered the band.

They focused on live shows mostly and making a few demos which would later also appear on full-length albums, and then with the release of '40 oz. to Freedom' in 1992 (Skunk Records) and the fuel that the cut "Date Rape" gave the albums sales, they headlines the Vans Warped Tour and the Three Ring Circus Tour in 1995 but were kicked off due to the dogs that they brought on tour biting fans and workers AND the drug use affecting their ability to be on stage (Drummer Bud Gaugh was arrested several times for possessing marijuana).
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Thursday 3/4/10 - 6:28:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
The band also released 'Robbin The Hood' during this tour period but was not taken in well with the mainstream, probably due to it's noted low production and recording techniques.

2 months before the release of what would become their biggest album, 'SUBLIME', Bradley Nowell was found dead of a heroin overdose (May 25, 1996). This album has gone 5 times platinum and has yeilded the most hits for the band. After the death of Bradley the rest of the band was quoted in saying that they had no interest in playing music under the name "Sublime" anymore. They have, however, since released more posthumous albums since Bradleys death than they had before he died.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Thursday 3/4/10 - 6:29:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
Those albums are; 'Second-Hand Smoke' (1997), 'Stand by Your Van' (1998), 'Sublime Acoustic: Bradley Nowell & Friends' (1998) and a 'Greatest Hits' Compilation (1999). Also, a box set called 'Everything Under The Sun' came out in 2006.

Another band with the surviving members of Sublime was started in 1997 called the Long Beach Dub Allstars but ended in 2002.

Currently, the band has a new singer (Rome Ramirez) and after a court battle with the people representing Bradley Nowells estate for the name "Sublime" they are supposedly going to be making and releasing an album under the name "Sublime with Rome".
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Thursday 3/4/10 - 6:34:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
I enjoy this band

not everything of theirs but a fair bit. They definitely seem like one of those bands that are way better than the sum of their parts if that makes sense.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Thursday 3/4/10 - 7:17:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
One of the first bands I can remember listening to. My dad would play Sublime all the time in the car when he drove me to preschool. I have always loved them and always will. The self-titled album is one of my favorite albums of any band. I actually listened to that album on my way to classes today.

The Long Beach Dub Allstars are also very great, but this isn't about them.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Thursday 3/4/10 - 7:42:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
Preschool?

now you are just drating with us old people arnt you?
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Thursday 3/4/10 - 7:43:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
Nope! I started preschool in '94, which is more or less Sublime's gold time. Them and Nirvana were the two bands my dad always played in the car.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 3/5/10 - 12:12:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
This is one of those groups that I honestly have to seperate the music and musicianship from the band (namely Brad Nowell) itself before I can like them.

The music is good. While there are plenty of other ska-punk bands from the era that I really felt were more deserving of success, Sublime was a really great access point for a lot of people. Who doesn't like Badfish or Rivers of Babylon? Hell, even as much as Santaria got over exposed it was still a f*ckin' GOOD SONG.

But... I really struggle to like ANY band, where the lead singer REPRODUCES and then COMMITS SUICIDE. Even though I understand that creativity and misery often go hand in hand (hence why people misinterpret a link between drugs and creativity)... But when you think enough of the world to reproduce, you should think enough of the world to be willing to live in it.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 3/5/10 - 1:11:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 3/4/10 - 7:43:09 PM secretagent wrote:
Nope! I started preschool in '94, which is more or less Sublime's gold time. Them and Nirvana were the two bands my dad always played in the car.

This makes me smile, because I play Weezer and many other of my favorite bands in the car with my daughter. And she LOVES them now.

I heard her screaming "SAY IT AIN'T SOOOOewOooooOOo!" from the living room when I was out working on the yard the other day.

One of those awesome "dad moments".

She also is a big "At-The-Drive-In" fan. Oh, and Stone Temple Pilots.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 3/5/10 - 1:11:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 3/4/10 - 6:34:16 PM jealousblues wrote:
I enjoy this band not everything of theirs but a fair bit. They definitely seem like one of those bands that are way better than the sum of their parts if that makes sense.

No, it doesn't make a lick of sense.

EXPAND, PLS.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 3/5/10 - 1:19:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/5/10 - 12:12:31 AM Kepi wrote:
KEPI'S WORDS ABOUT SUBLIME.

From what I get from that, you're saying that you have something against Bradley for his overdose? I mean, obviously it was a sh-tty move but his voice and his love for his daughter and his music was pretty well-known throughout the Sublime heyday.

I, too, agree that they outshined SO MANY of the ska-punk bands of that time. I mean, how many of those bands are still around?! ZERO TO ONE (maybe). And, yet, Sublime still holds radio play and still is bringing in new generations of fans.

And, from what I have read, I thought it was an accidental overdose. Not a suicide. But, obviously no one was in his head.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 3/5/10 - 3:23:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
The overwhelming majority of their songs were reggae songs.

If they were jamaican and produced the exact same songs, they would never be classified as "ska-punk."

They DID play some ska music and some ska music. But they are thrown into the ska-punk camp primarily because of geographical and racial reasons.

Bradley was incredibly eclectic in his musical influences, but if you have a decent knowledge of reggae and dancehall, you begin to appreciate just how much of his music was taken almost verbatim from songs from those two genres.

For those interested in the band, I highly recommend "Rewind Selector". Look it up, download it, be enlightened.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 3/5/10 - 5:44:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
They're undeniably classic but lack any subtlety.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 3/5/10 - 6:21:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
The subtlety lies not in interesting harmonic changes (often just 2 chords) or blazing solos, but more in the rhythmic interplay between drum and bass and the vocal phrasing and improvisation of Bradley live.

Others are free to disagree, of course, but I recommend listening to some of the live stuff first.
Being versed in reggae helps one appreciate it too, imho.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 3/5/10 - 7:00:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't see reggae having the intention of subtlety.

I was referring to Sublime's lack of subtlety regarding influences.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 3/5/10 - 8:56:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
Ahhh, Well, I don't think too many American listeners in 1997 knew Half Pint's song "Lovin" before Brad re-worked it into "What I Got," so at least nothing *appeared* amiss to most of them...

Personal favorite band of mine, I feel a duty to defend them whenever the occasion arises.

Reggae and dancehall are, speaking generally, pop music, dance music. So I think you get some interesting fills, the aforementioned rhythm back-and-forth, fun timbre and instrumental "colors" - - when you're listening to a talented band at work. There's musical subtlety (which you weren't talking about) but only in the same sense as American and European pop music has subtlety. You don't expect Miles Davis' mid-60s quintet when you listen to the Beatles OR the Wailers.

Jamaican session/jazz guitarist Ernest Ranglin did some interesting jazz-reggae fusion on an album called Below The Bassline.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 3/5/10 - 9:01:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/5/10 - 7:00:27 PM Wolf_In_Jar wrote:
I don't see reggae having the intention of subtlety.


Reggae rythmics are underrated.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 3/6/10 - 1:32:55 AM EST (GMT-5)
I enjoy most of Sublime's songs.
They make me happy.
Maybe it was because I was getting into music at this time.
They remind me of summer/drinking/camping/being young and stuff.

I don't really have anything to add to my thoughts on their style. Maybe tomorrow when I'm not drinking.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 3/6/10 - 1:57:21 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/5/10 - 8:56:15 PM stylee wrote:
Good stuff


I completely dig what you're saying man.

12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 3/6/10 - 4:49:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/5/10 - 1:19:22 PM SignalZero wrote:
stuff.


What you were saying about other ska bands... I felt the opposite to be true. Surely, there was a flood of just really lousy camp ska. But that was later. At the time there was very little ska, but it was very good. Sublime just happened to be kinda the most fringe in that scene, and that scene was very hell bent on the whole "no majors" rule that was also a typical thought process with punk at the time as well.

As for Brad, I had heard it was a suicide. The rumor was that he had said he'd overdose if he ever produced a top 40 hit because he felt his music would be rendered irrelevant... I don't know what the actual truth is, and Brad's dead so we can't ask him.

Either way, though, I just have a hard time with a guy who takes THAT big a risk even, and has a little kid at home.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Sunday 3/7/10 - 12:09:09 AM EST (GMT-5)
I've always really hated this band.

/the end
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Sunday 3/7/10 - 1:40:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 3/7/10 - 12:09:09 AM 1bunnyfoofoo wrote:
I've always really hated this band. /the end

Yeah, but you're a trifling bitch so I can't imagine WHAT you think is good. Probably something like just a minute and a half of feedback or something.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Sunday 3/7/10 - 5:30:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 3/7/10 - 12:09:09 AM 1bunnyfoofoo wrote:
I've always really hated this band. /the end
On Sunday 3/7/10 - 1:40:34 PM SignalZero wrote:
Yeah, but you're a trifling bitch so I can't imagine WHAT you think is good. Probably something like just a minute and a half of feedback or something.


I love how you've taken to attacking me lately.

Did you tire of the pinkconverse fued?

12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Sunday 3/7/10 - 9:33:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
Ha, trifling!
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Sunday 3/7/10 - 9:41:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
I never think of listening to them, I must not really like them.

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