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26 days ago - Saturday 6/4/22 - 2:09:34 AM EST (GMT-5)
Once again only worrying about kids BEFORE they’re born
26 days ago - Saturday 6/4/22 - 2:24:00 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 6/3/22 - 7:15:09 PM amaqdrinker wrote:
I’m just questioning who decides what acceptable statistical approximations are.
On Friday 6/3/22 - 7:24:22 PM CowDung wrote:
Apparently, the anti-gun crowd gets to decide...


see YOU are a Jackass.
26 days ago - Saturday 6/4/22 - 7:45:42 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 6/3/22 - 7:15:09 PM amaqdrinker wrote:
I’m just questioning who decides what acceptable statistical approximations are.


The reports I linked provided detailed explanation why the CPRC report was misleading. For example, the CPRC report used the mean instead of median to list Norway as number 1 in mass shooting deaths.

“Norway’s world-leading annual rate was due to a single devastating 2011 event, in which..Breivik gunned down 69 people at a summer camp on the island of Utøya. Norway had zero mass shootings in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015.” The U.S. had mass shooting deaths every year (total 199) between 2009 and 2015.

These “figures are actually highly misleading, and use a particular type of statistical average to create the false impression that mass shootings are less frequent and less deadly in the United States than in European countries”.

26 days ago - Saturday 6/4/22 - 8:46:44 AM EST (GMT-5)
But that is questioning the definition of mass shooting.

I think that 69 people killed should carry more weight.
25 days ago - Saturday 6/4/22 - 8:50:23 AM EST (GMT-5)
“ In fact, in a 2019 study that compared four different databases, the number of mass shooting events recorded in the U.S. for the year 2017 ranged from a low of 11 to a high of 346. Clearly, a significant error margin exists, particularly when creating country-to-country comparisons.”

From your article.
25 days ago - Saturday 6/4/22 - 8:53:00 AM EST (GMT-5)
And then it jumps into deciding what’s true or not after basically discrediting any attempt to statistically analyze the subject.

You can’t rise above the data and pass your decrees. Sorry.
25 days ago - Saturday 6/4/22 - 9:54:29 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 6/4/22 - 2:09:34 AM camelboy wrote:
Once again only worrying about kids BEFORE they’re born


Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.
25 days ago - Saturday 6/4/22 - 11:37:53 AM EST (GMT-5)
I’m not saying that the statistics aren’t worth reviewing though. Conclusions can be drawn.
25 days ago - Saturday 6/4/22 - 12:03:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
Sorry you are confused. The purpose of the CPRC report was to claim mass shootings were not as much of a problem in the United States as other countries. Norway had only one mass shooting during the 7 years studied. Between 2009 and 2020, 1,363 people in the United States were killed and 947 more were wounded in 240 mass shootings, an average of 20 shootings each year. Which country do you think has more of a problem with mass shootings? Hint: 1 is less then 240
25 days ago - Saturday 6/4/22 - 12:06:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
What you’re proposing is that there’s some kind of truth outside the data. That you can’t make conclusions with the data and rather than determining that, HEY THIS IS A PROBLEM.

You can’t draw an absolute conclusion because the data is not normal and when you override the data and say that you have the solution what you’ve done is lost traceability.

If we can’t conclude what is going on, then we can’t deduce the correct solution to the problem. All you’re doing is waving a banner for Biden just like the 2nd amendment die hards are waving Trump’s banner.
25 days ago - Saturday 6/4/22 - 12:07:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 6/4/22 - 12:03:48 PM Atia wrote:
Sorry you are confused. The purpose of the CPRC report was to claim mass shootings were not as much of a problem in the United States as other countries. Norway had only one mass shooting during the 7 years studied. Between 2009 and 2020, 1,363 people in the United States were killed and 947 more were wounded in 240 mass shootings, an average of 20 shootings each year. Which country do you think has more of a problem with mass shootings? Hint: 1 is less then 240


So who defined what constitutes a mass shooting for you?
25 days ago - Saturday 6/4/22 - 12:29:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 6/4/22 - 12:03:48 PM Atia wrote:
Sorry you are confused. The purpose of the CPRC report was to claim mass shootings were not as much of a problem in the United States as other countries.


I kinda thought that it did a good job of showing that mass shootings aren't something that happens 'only in the US'- - which is something that some people seem to think...

On Wednesday 6/1/22 - 10:21:57 PM camelboy wrote:
Why only in the US? Mental health issues are global. Mass murders by guns aren’t

25 days ago - Saturday 6/4/22 - 12:40:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think the PROBLEM is the banner waving personally.

Unfortunately that’s requires a more difficult solution.
25 days ago - Saturday 6/4/22 - 1:15:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 6/3/22 - 5:17:31 PM Atia wrote:
Typical (Median) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015): United States — 0.058 Albania — 0 Austria — 0 Belgium — 0 Czech Republic — 0 Finland — 0 France — 0 Germany — 0 Italy — 0 Macedonia — 0

So what’s your solution? Because banning all guns will not change anything.
25 days ago - Sunday 6/5/22 - 1:06:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 6/4/22 - 2:09:34 AM camelboy wrote:
Once again only worrying about kids BEFORE they’re born
On Saturday 6/4/22 - 9:54:29 AM CowDung wrote:
Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.

Denying it over and over doesn’t make it true either.
25 days ago - Sunday 6/5/22 - 3:35:29 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 6/4/22 - 9:54:29 AM CowDung wrote:
Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.


Why do you spend so much time at your McJob doing exactly that, on this website, all the time?
24 days ago - Sunday 6/5/22 - 4:53:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 6/4/22 - 2:09:34 AM camelboy wrote:
Once again only worrying about kids BEFORE they’re born
On Saturday 6/4/22 - 9:54:29 AM CowDung wrote:
Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.
On Sunday 6/5/22 - 1:06:31 AM camelboy wrote:
Denying it over and over doesn’t make it true either.


At least it seems that we are in agreement that the statement is not true...

24 days ago - Sunday 6/5/22 - 10:52:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 6/4/22 - 2:09:34 AM camelboy wrote:
Once again only worrying about kids BEFORE they’re born
On Saturday 6/4/22 - 9:54:29 AM CowDung wrote:
Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.
On Sunday 6/5/22 - 1:06:31 AM camelboy wrote:
Denying it over and over doesn’t make it true either.
On Sunday 6/5/22 - 4:53:56 PM CowDung wrote:
At least it seems that we are in agreement that the statement is not true...



Once again Jackass plays the 7 year old in the playground card. Ner Ner na ner ner.
24 days ago - Sunday 6/5/22 - 11:46:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 6/4/22 - 2:09:34 AM camelboy wrote:
Once again only worrying about kids BEFORE they’re born
On Saturday 6/4/22 - 9:54:29 AM CowDung wrote:
Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.
On Sunday 6/5/22 - 1:06:31 AM camelboy wrote:
Denying it over and over doesn’t make it true either.
On Sunday 6/5/22 - 4:53:56 PM CowDung wrote:
At least it seems that we are in agreement that the statement is not true...

We aren’t in agreement about anything. I tend to actually care about ppl and you tend to care about…what again? Fiscal some such
23 days ago - Monday 6/6/22 - 10:45:12 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 6/4/22 - 12:07:41 PM amaqdrinker wrote:
So who defined what constitutes a mass shooting for you?


The data was compiled by CPRC and they determined what constituted a mass shooting. The World Population Review and others did NOT change any CPRC data including number of mass shootings. They only looked at CPRC’s findings and suggested CPRC used the wrong statistical methodology.

If, as you stated, think the total killed should carry more weight, then according to CPRC data the United States with 199 deaths would be number one, number two is France 158, and then Norway with 69.

Many countries have mass shootings but the United States has by far the most mass shooting deaths and highest number of mass shootings.
23 days ago - Monday 6/6/22 - 10:47:29 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 6/4/22 - 1:15:11 PM Noldor wrote:
So what’s your solution? Because banning all guns will not change anything.


I would support repealing or at least revising the second amendment. Former member of the Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren Burger said in 1991: "If I were writing the Bill of Rights now, there wouldn't be any such thing as the Second Amendment. The right of the people to keep and bear arms was the subject of "one of the greatest pieces of fraud – I repeat the word 'fraud' – on the American public by special-interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime."

Bret Stephens, a conservative columnist for the New York Times, has endorsed the idea of repeal, writing: "Gun ownership should never be outlawed, just as it isn't outlawed in Britain or Australia. But it doesn't need a blanket Constitutional protection, either."
23 days ago - Monday 6/6/22 - 10:47:53 AM EST (GMT-5)
If not repeal or revise the second amendment then reasonable gun restrictions such as mandating background checks for all gun purchases, including those overseen by unlicensed sellers online or at gun shows and enforcing a waiting period after someone buys a firearm, red flag laws, age restrictions, no high-capacity bullet magazines and assault style weapons ban.


23 days ago - Monday 6/6/22 - 11:49:07 AM EST (GMT-5)
The second amendment is there to protect us from a tyrannical government. The first thing dictators do is take all the guns away from their citizens.
23 days ago - Monday 6/6/22 - 11:49:30 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 6/2/22 - 6:21:48 PM Noldor wrote:
Making something illegal doesn’t mean people won’t get it. It didn’t work when they prohibited alcohol and it doesn’t work with drugs.

With that logic, why try to make abortions illegal?
23 days ago - Monday 6/6/22 - 11:51:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
We also need guns for self-defense. During the LA riots, for example, you call 911 for help and the number was busy. If you did manage to get through, the police wouldn’t come because they are overwhelmed with things to do. You need to be able to defend yourself.

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