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Are you right wing nutters gonna act like they’re not trying to outlaw abortion?

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2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 1:44:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 5/11/22 - 1:40:32 PM HunnyDew wrote:
Also weird how you all assume what would be best for the mother despite like...not knowing what it's like to be a woman lol You don't care about the various situations in which it would be best to abort the baby - you just want to feel good about "saving a human life" Like...pro life until it's the mothers I guess


I think the situation where the conflict between the mother's life or the child's life has already been addressed here.
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 1:47:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 5/11/22 - 1:40:32 PM HunnyDew wrote:
Also weird how you all assume what would be best for the mother despite like...not knowing what it's like to be a woman lol You don't care about the various situations in which it would be best to abort the baby - you just want to feel good about "saving a human life" Like...pro life until it's the mothers I guess
On Wednesday 5/11/22 - 1:44:52 PM CowDung wrote:
I think the situation where the conflict between the mother's life or the child's life has already been addressed here.


Like the part where u said "it isn't about a woman's body" or somewhere else

Because if that's what ur referring too that's actually kind of wild that you think that
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 1:54:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
It's about the life of the unborn child, rather than being about a woman's body.
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 1:54:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
...that isn't 'assuming what is best for the mother', it's more about protecting the unborn child.
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 1:57:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 5/11/22 - 1:54:54 PM CowDung wrote:
...that isn't 'assuming what is best for the mother', it's more about protecting the unborn child.


I want to know why you think women get abortions in the first place. Like do you think it's for fun?
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 2:00:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
If you argue about abortion, but ignore EVERY argument about what the mothers situation is, you're definitely a lost cause because there's more to abortion than just actually aborting the child.

I feel like you would know this if u could get pregnant. You should definitely try it sometime.
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 2:09:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 5/11/22 - 1:54:54 PM CowDung wrote:
...that isn't 'assuming what is best for the mother', it's more about protecting the unborn child.
On Wednesday 5/11/22 - 1:57:23 PM HunnyDew wrote:
I want to know why you think women get abortions in the first place. Like do you think it's for fun?


No, I don't think that most women have abortions for fun.

I also don't think that most abortions are medically necessary to preserve the life of the mother, or because the child is thought to be unable to survive due to some developmental defect.


2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 2:22:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
For the record, I don't have issue with medically necessary abortions like what I mentioned above.
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 2:25:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
So then you’re willing to support that child after it’s born? Make sure she gets maternity leave? Cover the medical expenses of her and/or the child? Continued healthcare for both of them free of charge. Ensure she gets a real living wage and access to education? Or locate good adoptive parents? Continue helping them with healthcare? Providing mental health services if the child should need? Mental health treatment as well for the mother after you ripped away her right to make her own healthcare decisions? We could go on all day. CD, you love to pretend that everybody has an equal shot. Ridiculous and a glaring beam of privilege shooting out of your ass
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 2:37:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm a big proponent of continuing affordable/free support for mothers, especially those in necessitous circumstances.

That, however, merely implicates an intra-pro-life dispute (between pro-lifers who support a robust social safety net v. those with more libertarian economic leanings). It does not have much to do with a genuine conversation with pro-choicers.

That is, even in a society wherein we *do* provide a maximally supportive safety net for mothers, the vehement pro-choicers will *still* be vehement pro-choicers. It's not like it changes the "bodily autonomy" equation at all.

According to thinktanks affiliated with Planned Parenthood and NARAL, most abortions (even late term abortions!) are birth control. An ideal society won't wipe that to anything close to zero.

It's just a rhetorical trap without substance when presented by pro-choicers
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 2:41:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
I’ll grant that. Ultimately I support a woman’s right to choose.
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 2:51:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
What choice does the unborn baby have?
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 3:44:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 5/11/22 - 2:25:46 PM camelboy wrote:
... CD, you love to pretend that everybody has an equal shot. Ridiculous and a glaring beam of privilege shooting out of your ass


Keep your eyes off of my ass and whatever you think might be shooting out of it...

No, I don't think that everyone has it easy- - particularly an unwanted, unborn child.

Do you really think that one must be in a position to personally provide support to people affected by the political policies they support? For example, in order to support the US taking in refugees from war torn nations, does one need to be lining up jobs and offer up their spare bedrooms for the refugees?

2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 3:45:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
There are programs in place to provide access to medical care for those without jobs, or with low incomes. There are also many entities in existence that try to match children with adoptive parents.

In addition, the fathers of these unborn children need to be held accountable- - they certainly play a part in the process and need to be supporting the woman and the child.
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 5:45:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 5/11/22 - 3:45:12 PM CowDung wrote:
There are programs in place to provide access to medical care for those without jobs, or with low incomes. There are also many entities in existence that try to match children with adoptive parents.


Said programs are incredibly difficult to access even if a person needs them.

I think you should get pregnant and try to get an abortion but for some reason you will not heed my very reasonable advice.
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 6:10:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 5/11/22 - 1:54:06 PM CowDung wrote:
It's about the life of the unborn child, rather than being about a woman's body.

Okay but it seems as if you are a freshman in highschool who just found out that your female peers also have pubes.

Do you know how common miscarriages are? Do you know what it's like to feel your muscles contracting as blood spills from you? To have no control over it? You could be completely free of risky pregnancy factors and still have a miscarriage *insert crazy face*

Do you know that during an ectopic pregnancy there is practically sure death for the pregnant person and the fetus without an abortion. Neither will survive. Btw it's when the egg escapes and ruptures. The eventual baby is already dead, there is no way to save it during an ectopic pregnancy. It's a 1-50 chance by some estimates of having an ectopic pregnancy :)
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 6:15:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
On top of that do you know it's possible to have birth happen so prematurely and suddenly that the fetus will die no matter what you do, and you as a mother have to decide if you will introduce suffering or abort it.
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 6:29:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
If the mother’s life is in danger, then an abortion should be allowed. I don’t think anybody is against having an abortion in that case.
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 6:33:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
10 to 20 percent of pregnancies end in miscarriage. But this is a natural death. An abortion is the willful killing of an unborn baby.
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 6:38:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 5/10/22 - 9:59:14 PM CowDung wrote:
What does that prove in terms of abortion? It's generally accepted among anti-abortion people that performing an abortion to save the life of the mother is OK. It doesn't mean that one is no longer a life if one chooses a different life to save.


Swing and a miss! But hey, at least you tried this time.
It's about the sincerity of the position that "human life begins at conception" which conservatives insist is the case. You failed to answer again which tells everyone here that you don't truly hold that position.

Thanks for playing. I'll keep reraising this obvious point every time you want others to take you seriously.
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 6:39:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 5/10/22 - 11:14:40 PM CowDung wrote:
These are lives we are talking about here. It isn't about trying to tell women what is best for women, it's about preserving life.


Okidoke so you support taking organs from people against their will to save the lives of others? "It's about preserving life."

This really is too easy.
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 6:54:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 5/11/22 - 6:29:29 PM Noldor wrote:
If the mother’s life is in danger, then an abortion should be allowed. I don’t think anybody is against having an abortion in that case.

No I think those people exsit :)
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 6:56:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
Taking organs from people will result in the death of those people. How is that analogous to saving the life of an unborn baby? The mother is not going to die.
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 7:05:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 5/10/22 - 11:14:40 PM CowDung wrote:
These are lives we are talking about here. It isn't about trying to tell women what is best for women, it's about preserving life.
On Wednesday 5/11/22 - 6:39:39 PM ClarencY wrote:
Okidoke so you support taking organs from people against their will to save the lives of others? "It's about preserving life." This really is too easy.


Not unless the unborn baby is considered to be one of the woman's organs- - which it is not...
2 months ago - Wednesday 5/11/22 - 7:14:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 5/11/22 - 6:38:05 PM ClarencY wrote:
...It's about the sincerity of the position that "human life begins at conception" which conservatives insist is the case. You failed to answer again which tells everyone here that you don't truly hold that position. ...


The position that life begins at conception is held by more than 'conservatives'...

You really think that choosing to save one life over another is proving something? Is all human life valued the same? In a similar scenario, you have a 90 year old man and a 25 year old pregnant woman. Which would you save?

Does choosing to save the pregnant woman mean that one believe there are 2 lives to be saved, or could it just be that one wants to save the person that is farther from the natural end of their life? Or maybe one chooses to save the old guy.

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