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Are you right wing nutters gonna act like they’re not trying to outlaw abortion?

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1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 10:54:58 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 7/1/22 - 9:57:21 AM Atia wrote:
I think the confusion is because you keep claiming the fertilized egg after initial cell division “IS human life” implying it is a human being. As explained several times by myself and others, a clump of cells without a brain is not yet a human being. It is just a living organism. It is fine if you want to dispute my reasons but to keep asking if there is a difference between a human embryo and any other embryo is completely unrelated to the discussion and probably an attempt to deflect and ridiculous.


I guess I consider a living organism that is human, as being a human life.

You have a different standard where a functioning brain is required before you consider it to be human life.

Brain activity typically begins at week 5-6, which is earlier than the point where most abortions occur.



1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 11:02:05 AM EST (GMT-5)
A disagreement. So then maybe let the person carrying the fetus decide. Makes all the sense in the world!
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 11:22:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 7/1/22 - 12:51:12 AM camelboy wrote:
You keep stating opinions followed by “right?”, right? Doesn’t make it right.
On Friday 7/1/22 - 8:51:27 AM CowDung wrote:
You really think there's no difference between human embryo and other mammalian embryos?

There are some differences between human embryos and other mammalian embryos.

So what?
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 11:24:53 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 7/1/22 - 9:57:21 AM Atia wrote:
an attempt to deflect and ridiculous.
On Friday 7/1/22 - 10:21:26 AM camelboy wrote:
Summing up everything CD does here in 5 words.


If only HE would.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 11:31:03 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 7/1/22 - 10:54:58 AM CowDung wrote:
I guess I consider a living organism that is human, as being a human life. You have a different standard where a functioning brain is required before you consider it to be human life. Brain activity typically begins at week 5-6, which is earlier than the point where most abortions occur.


As I pointed out to you before, until you abandon your obtuse fundamentalist position that a fertilised egg is human life and therefore entitled to the same protection as "any other family members" you can't engage in further discussion about later term abortions that contradict you intransigent attitude.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 12:19:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 7/1/22 - 11:02:05 AM camelboy wrote:
A disagreement. So then maybe let the person carrying the fetus decide. Makes all the sense in the world!


Except for the brain activity thing that indicates the point at which it is considered to be a 'human being'.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 12:21:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
One point. There are numerous. of which you are undoubtedly aware you sh*t eating troll.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 2:25:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
Top 3 Reasons Women Think They Need an Abortion:

They lacked money to raise a child
A child would interfere with their life
They didn’t want to be a single parent

Another top 3 reasons from a different study:
1. Women fear their partners will leave them if they don’t have an abortion
2. Women fear their parents’ reaction to finding out they are sexually active
3. Women fear the future

https://unplannedparenthood.org/3-reasons-women-think-they-need-an-abortion/
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 2:54:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
You act like any of those things are about convenience. All of those things have major implications for a person’s life. Are you stupid, myopic, or just stupid?
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 3:11:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/de...

I don’t know how to determine credible scientific studies but this is what the article is referencing.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 3:17:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
Nice delete post Bored.

Bored said it was pro life propaganda.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 3:18:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 7/1/22 - 2:25:55 PM Noldor wrote:
Top 3 Reasons Women Think They Need an Abortion: They lacked money to raise a child A child would interfere with their life They didn’t want to be a single parent Another top 3 reasons from a different study: 1. Women fear their partners will leave them if they don’t have an abortion 2. Women fear their parents’ reaction to finding out they are sexually active 3. Women fear the future [link]


Nice job trawling the internet for propaganda to suit your predetermined position. Who are you trying to convince? Amaq?
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 3:19:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
Haha spot on....
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 3:21:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
I was shouted down when I said that most abortions are more out of convenience than the extreme cases that have been debated in this thread.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 3:26:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
The article seems to be legitimate by the way.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 3:30:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don’t care if it’s legitimate. Again, those reasons listed in Noldor’s post are not simple matters of convenience. I won’t ask you if you’re stupid or myopic, amaq…i already know the answer.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 3:32:43 PM EST (GMT-5)
Those issues are NOT "a matter of convenience" that propaganda simply seeks to trivialize the decisions women make to undermine their right to make choices for themselves.

They lack money to have a child. You think that is "trivial" how many men do you think don't want to be a father for the same reason. I'd guess a lot more than women.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 3:36:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 7/1/22 - 3:32:43 PM Boredofu wrote:
Those issues are NOT "a matter of convenience" that propaganda simply seeks to trivialize the decisions women make to undermine their right to make choices for themselves. They lack money to have a child. You think that is "trivial" how many men do you think don't want to be a father for the same reason. I'd guess a lot more than women.


If you think I have a problem with women I think that you’re confusing not believing in an absolute equivalency to having a problem with women.

Women are able to get pregnant. You can’t pretend that’s not true to level the playing field between the sexes.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 3:37:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
Ironically in the UK the biggest accusation aimed at teenage single mothers is that they get pregnant so they will be given a flat to live in and Social security payments. Somehow it's never about actually having or not having a child.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 3:41:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 7/1/22 - 3:32:43 PM Boredofu wrote:
Those issues are NOT "a matter of convenience" that propaganda seeks to trivialize the decisions women make to undermine their right to make choices. They lack money to have a child. You think that is "trivial" how many men do you think don't want to be a father for the same reason. I'd guess a lot more than women.
On Friday 7/1/22 - 3:36:20 PM amaqdrinker wrote:
If you think I have a problem with women I think that you’re confusing not believing in an absolute equivalency to having a problem with women. Women are able to get pregnant. You can’t pretend that’s not true to level the playing field between the sexes.


That post has nothing to do with you personally, I find your inability to process information from outside of your own box to be symptomatic of some kind of personality disorder.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 3:47:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 7/1/22 - 3:41:05 PM Boredofu wrote:
That post has nothing to do with you personally, I find your inability to process information from outside of your own box to be symptomatic of some kind of personality disorder.


Like a generalized anxiety.

But I’m more commenting on claims and accusations that have come up throughout the thread.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 3:48:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
If a couple are making an informed decision to start a family the number one issue will always be finance. Even if they 100% want child the issue will be when would be the most affordable time to have it. The number 2 issue would be if they both agree on the decision on number 1, which covers both 2 and 3.

That is still relevant with an unplanned pregnancy. Are we going to raise a child with no money and no prospects of a decent career?CD makes a huge deal about people going to a community college and gaining "marketable skills" that doesn't happen in a bubble of idealistic theory.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 3:54:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think the idea of there being a perfect time to have a child is a bit of a fantasy.

But I think we can agree to disagree.
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 4:33:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 7/1/22 - 3:54:06 PM amaqdrinker wrote:
I think the idea of there being a perfect time to have a child is a bit of a fantasy. But I think we can agree to disagree.

Then again, MAYBE WE SHOULD LEAVE IT YO THE PREGNANT PERSON TO DECIDE
1 month ago - Friday 7/1/22 - 4:35:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
I didn't say that. Like CD and Noldor you like to arrogantly paraphrase other people's worlds and dismiss what then becomes a straw man argument of your own creation.

It's time wasting, petty and pathetic.

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