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1 month ago - Monday 5/3/21 - 11:52:39 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 5/3/21 - 10:49:18 AM camelboy wrote:
Many of those beliefs *are* based on their religions.

On Monday 5/3/21 - 11:16:39 AM CowDung wrote:
For example?

On Monday 5/3/21 - 11:26:42 AM camelboy wrote:
Gay marriage

1 month ago - Monday 5/3/21 - 12:18:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
I would argue that opposition to gay marriage isn't necessarily based on religion either.
1 month ago - Monday 5/3/21 - 12:30:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
I would then argue that you’d only be arguing that to be right, not because it’s true. And if it’s not based on their religion, then they use their religion as the excuse for it.
1 month ago - Monday 5/3/21 - 1:26:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 5/3/21 - 12:18:26 PM CowDung wrote:
I would argue


No change then.
1 month ago - Monday 5/3/21 - 4:37:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 5/3/21 - 12:30:06 PM camelboy wrote:
I would then argue that you’d only be arguing that to be right, not because it’s true. And if it’s not based on their religion, then they use their religion as the excuse for it.


I would agree that religion is commonly cited as the excuse for it, but I think the attitudes against it are very similar to those held by people that are against interracial marriage. Some people don't like it because it's different and makes them feel uncomfortable.
1 month ago - Monday 5/3/21 - 6:42:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
Definition of a bigot
1 month ago - Monday 5/3/21 - 9:25:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
Sure.

I'm not trying to claim that those against gay and/or interracial marriage are not bigots.
1 month ago - Monday 5/3/21 - 11:47:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
Am I supposed to say that I condone or don’t condone interracial or gay marriages?

A lot of churches fly rainbow flags around here and in Vermont and Massachusetts. I don’t have an issue with gay marriages being recognized by the state. And a particular priest or minister, I think, would be actually able to have counseling sessions and bless a same sex marriage. Whether or not marriage means anything more than something tax related today is a different issue.

Interracial marriages are probably just often difficult. There’s a cultural gap still and it’s probably difficult to bridge that gap but again I think a discerning church leader could find that people are serious about it.

Drive thru weddings in Vegas are probably more of a religious issue than two people who are committing their relationship under the guidance of a person committed to upholding the faith.
1 month ago - Monday 5/3/21 - 11:58:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
But I’m just saying it’s possible. I don’t believe in citizens of the universe or a fluid sexuality. I think sexual confusion and racial manipulation are things that can really lie at the root of those relationships. But any relationship can be a twisted mess of advantages and disadvantages. That’s probably why I’m single because I just can’t get past the give and take or the win or loss mentality of today’s super individual conquer or be conquered relationships.

I think I might be alone for a while. There seems to be no possible solution. I think the equation reduced to dividing by zero or something.

I blame the onslaught of college relationships. I shut off retreated drank myself into oblivion and scribbled in a notebook. Rather than give chase to the commercialized pin up dance floor fast food commercial present on basically every college campus.

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